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Message 1.Β
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Married name is Hilton. Husband was Allen. I can see them together in 1901 with 3 children Claris 1892 Arthur 1894 & Mabel 1900.
However in 1911 she appears to be with a John James? Hilton 37 Mabel 11 which is fine and a William Dempsey Hilton 3 where did he come from and where is Allen?
Can anyone see the relationships given for me please? If she lost Allen and married again then she wouldn't still be a Hilton so JJ may be some other relative. -
Message 2
Posted by Small Town Girl (U1483784) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Whereabouts in the country are they, Tourmie, and what's her dob, pls?
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Message 3
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Sorry that wasn't very helpful was it
It's Huddersfield and she was born in 1870. -
Message 4
Posted by Small Town Girl (U1483784) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
I found this household in 1911 :
Name: Julia Hilton
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Mother
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Huddersfield
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 45 Milford St Huddersfield Yorkshire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Wooolen Feder In Mill
Registration district: Huddersfield
Registration District Number: 495
Sub-registration district: Huddersfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Piece: 26286
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Dempsey 46
Julia Hilton 40
Mable Hilton 11
William Dempsey Hilton 3
Patrick is down as "father of William", single, labourer in chemical works, b. Ashton underline (sic!), Lancs
Julia, married, 10 yrs, 5 children born, 4 alive, 1 died
Mable, b. Huddersfield
William b. Huddersfield
Does this help, or merely confuse?
Will now see if I can find Allan if you like.
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Message 5
Posted by Small Town Girl (U1483784) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Can't seem to find Allan, but then A*y hasn't fully indexed the 1911 census yet, so he may be somewhere that I can't see.
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Message 6
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
the plot thickens. She married Allen Hilton in 1891 so who has she been married to for 10 years in 1911?! In 1901 she is with Allen and 3 children including Mabel.
I believe Julia dies as a Hilton so she didn't marry Mr Dempsey.
Bit brazen isn't it - father single, mother married and a child to boot.
Yes please would like to know where the husband was in all this. Imagine he was still around so she couldn't marry Mr D. -
Message 7
Posted by Small Town Girl (U1483784) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Still can't find Allen, and have tried other trees on A*y, but he's not there either.
This seems to be young William's birth:
Births Jun 1908 (>99%)
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Hilton William Dempsey Huddersfield 9a 278
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Message 8
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Here's Allen with Claris The original has 20 yrs married 4 children born 3 living 1 died ( but that has all been crossed out , presumably as that info was supposed to be on the wifes section )
HILTON, Allen Head Married M 40 1871 Textile Machine Fitter Huddersfield County York ]
HILTON, Claris Daughter Single F 18 1893 Cloth Burler Huddersfield County York
HATFIELD, Isabella Servant Single F 30 1881 House Keeper Barnsley County York
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
26341 Reference:
RG14PN26341 RG78PN1522 RD495 SD9 ED18 SN155
Address:
4 Wellington Street Lindley Huddersfield -
Message 9
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Tourmie , when did Allen die ? as interestingly I can see a marriage for him in the early 1940;s bride is an Isabel Hatfield !
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Message 10
Posted by Small Town Girl (U1483784) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Well done Bash. I've now tried searching for Allen with Claris; Claris with Allen and Claris on her own, but none of them come up on A*y for 1911.
A*y does have a possible death for Allen in 1956 in Huddersfield.
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Message 11
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Oh good work guys thanks. Clearly husband and wife went their seperate ways what a shame.
I don't have a death for Allen but Julia I believe died in 1950 (least I found a death for a Julia A Hilton in that year right age) so he shouldn't have been marrying any of his servants before then. -
Message 12
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
I find the 1911 on Ance........... so frustrating !! even with putting details from the FMP info into the search boxes the names don't come up !
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Message 13
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
The 1911 is all Greek to me
If Allen did remarry before his first wife died hmmm. He would have been quite elderly by the time he married Isabel. Divorced from Julia do you think?
As an aside I found Mabels second name was Pretoria. -
Message 14
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Tourmie , that marriage info is on Free BMD, so you can take a look and see , ( tho I suppose it COULD be a different couple with the same names ) Maybe they thought that Julia was already dead by then !
Name: Allen Hilton
Birth Date: abt 1870
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1956
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Huddersfield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2b
Page: 963 -
Message 15
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Name: Isabel Hilton
Birth Date: abt 1882
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1953
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Huddersfield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2b
Page: 868 -
Message 16
Posted by Small Town Girl (U1483784) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
I find the 1911 on Ance........... so frustrating !! even with putting details from the FMP info into the search boxes the names don't come up ! Β
That makes me feel a bit better, bash. I thought I was just being thick!
I like Tourmie's remark that Allen shouldn't have been marrying "any of his servants". Like he was rich enough to afford a household full on a working man's wage!
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Message 17
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Presume this is Arthur in 1911 - so they must have had a child between 1901 and 1908 who died
Name: Arthur Hilton
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Huddersfield
Civil parish: Lockwood
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 35 St Stephens Terrace Lockwood
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Woollen Piecer
Registration district: Huddersfield
Registration District Number: 495
Sub-registration district: Lockwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 26337
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Jane Smith 38
Ida Smith 12
Arthur Hilton 17 -
Message 18
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
This is his marriage - Julia Ann Hilton is one of the witnesses so assume he kept in touch with his mother
Name: Arthur Hilton
Birth Year: abt 1895
Age: 22
Marriage or Bann Date: 15 Mar 1917
Parish: Paddock, All Saints
Father's Name: Allen Hilton
Spouse's Name: Rose Alice Mills
Spouse's Father's Name: Sydney Mills -
Message 19
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Looks like Mr Dempsey predeceased the rest by some margin
Name: Patrick J Dempsey
Birth Date: abt 1864
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1932
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Huddersfield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 529 -
Message 20
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
This looks a possible
Births Dec 1906 (>99%)
Hilton Frank Huddersfield 9a 287
Deaths Dec 1906 (>99%)
Hilton Frank 0 Huddersfield 9a 235 -
Message 21
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Thursday, 15th December 2011
Thanks for the additional info. I'm still fretting about Allen marrying one of his servants whilst his first wife was still alive. They waited 30 years plus after all, all I can think is it was now or never as he was in his 70's by then
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