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Message 1.Μύ
Posted by gb4yzj (U2355837) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
I have asked before on part of this family and wondered if I could get more help. Here is a link to the other discussion
We cannot seem to get anywhere with the Poppleton side. What we have is
My friends Grandfather was William Henry Poppleton b.1 May 1879 Hoyland, his mother according to his birth certificate was Mary Ann Poppleton, a domestic servent. There is no father on the certificate but we have established that hgis father was William Gillott.
We cannot seem to find Mary Ann other than a death that could possibly be her and will recieve the certificate next Friday when my friend picks it up.
We are assuming Mary was born in Yorkshire and think it would be the Barnsley area but of course we have nothing to confirm this.
Any help on the Poppleton's would be very much appreciated, we have gone back a long way on the Gillott side.
Christine -
Message 2
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
How have you established that his father was William Gillot if he doesn't appear on the birth cert. That's a strange thing to do but I am intrigued as to how this has been done correctly.
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Message 3
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
1861 census:-
POPPLETON, Thomas Head Married M 27 1834 Linen Cloth Bleacher
Barnsley
Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Betsy Wife Married F 26 1835
Bradford
Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Joseph Son M 2 1859
Barnsley
Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Mary Ann Daughter F 0 (3M) 1861
Rotherham
Yorkshire
WATERHOUSE, Grace Mother In Law Married F 50 1811 Horse Dealers Wife
Bradford
Yorkshire
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Piece:
3447 Folio:
38 Page:
29 Registration District:
Barnsley
Civil Parish:
Barnsley Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Wilson Street, Barnsley County:
Yorkshire (West riding) -
Message 4
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
Could this be her in 1871 census although she is now Mary Jane:-
POPPLETON, Thomas Head M 36 1835 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Elizabeth Wife F 35 1836 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Joe Son M 13 1858 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Mary Jane Daughter F 11 1860 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, James Son M 8 1863 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Sarah Ann Daughter F 6 1865 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Tom Son M 4 1867 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Alice Daughter F 1 1870 Yorkshire
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Piece:
4647 Folio:
236 Page:
2 Registration District:
Barnsley
Civil Parish:
Barnsley Municipal Borough:
Barnsley Address:
New Street, Barnsley County:
Yorkshire -
Message 5
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
Could this be her birth in 1858:-
Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
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Brook Sophia Barnsley 9c 117
Cordingley Helena Barnsley 9c 117
Moody Elizabeth Barnsley 9c 117
Parkinson Ellen Barnsley 9c 117
Poppleotn Mary A Barnsley 9c 117
Poppleton Mary Ann Barnsley 9c 117
Skiffington Elizabeth Ann Barnsley 9c 117
Smith Charles Barnsley 9c 117
Taylor James Barnsley 9c 117
Thickett Mary A Barnsley 9c 117
WAINWRIGHT Joseph William Barnsley 9c 117 -
Message 6
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
1861 census another possibility:-
POPPLETON, John Head Married M 37 1824 Hand Loom Linen Weaver
Royston
Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Hannah Wife Married F 32 1829
Royston
Yorkshire
POPPLETON, George Son M 10 1851 Scholar
Royston
Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Mary Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar
Barnsley
Yorkshire
POPPLETON, John M Son M 2 1859
Barnsley
Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Nancy Daughter F 0 (2M) 1861
Barnsley
Yorkshire
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Piece:
3447 Folio:
32 Page:
18 Registration District:
Barnsley
Civil Parish:
Barnsley Municipal Borough:
Address:
9, Thomas Street, Barnsley County:
Yorkshire (West riding) -
Message 7
Posted by gb4yzj (U2355837) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
How have you established that his father was William Gillot if he doesn't appear on the birth cert. That's a strange thing to do but I am intrigued as to how this has been done correctly.Μύ Established the father from Williams Henry Poppleton marriage certificate. He married as William Henry Poppleton Gillott and father was put as William Gillott
Christine -
Message 8
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
If message 6 is the correct census then this is the possible marriage of John and Hannah:-
Marriages Mar 1852 (>99%)
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Egglestone Hannah Barnsley 9c 130
Poppleton John Barnsley 9c 130 -
Message 9
Posted by gb4yzj (U2355837) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
Could this be her in 1871 census although she is now Mary Jane:-
POPPLETON, Thomas Head M 36 1835 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Elizabeth Wife F 35 1836 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Joe Son M 13 1858 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Mary Jane Daughter F 11 1860 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, James Son M 8 1863 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Sarah Ann Daughter F 6 1865 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Tom Son M 4 1867 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Alice Daughter F 1 1870 Yorkshire
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Piece:
4647 Folio:
236 Page:
2 Registration District:
Barnsley
Civil Parish:
Barnsley Municipal Borough:
Barnsley Address:
New Street, Barnsley County:
Yorkshire
Μύ Do not believe this to be the right family as even on 1861 it is Mary Jane and she is with her father in 1881
Christine -
Message 10
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
Christine I wouldn't accept that as evidence as lots of people put names of fathers on marriage certs just to save face. Also the census doesn't establish parental or grandparents they may just have taken him in.
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Message 11
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
See 1861 census on message 3 there's a Mary Ann. with parents Thomas and Betsy. So wonder which parents are hers. A birth cert is needed to establish her parents.
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Message 12
Posted by gb4yzj (U2355837) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
Could this be her birth in 1858:-
Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
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Brook Sophia Barnsley 9c 117
Cordingley Helena Barnsley 9c 117
Moody Elizabeth Barnsley 9c 117
Parkinson Ellen Barnsley 9c 117
Poppleotn Mary A Barnsley 9c 117
Poppleton Mary Ann Barnsley 9c 117
Skiffington Elizabeth Ann Barnsley 9c 117
Smith Charles Barnsley 9c 117
Taylor James Barnsley 9c 117
Thickett Mary A Barnsley 9c 117
WAINWRIGHT Joseph William Barnsley 9c 117
Μύ I believe the Mary Ann in this list died in 1859
Christine -
Message 13
Posted by gb4yzj (U2355837) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
Could this be her in 1871 census although she is now Mary Jane:-
POPPLETON, Thomas Head M 36 1835 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Elizabeth Wife F 35 1836 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Joe Son M 13 1858 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Mary Jane Daughter F 11 1860 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, James Son M 8 1863 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Sarah Ann Daughter F 6 1865 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Tom Son M 4 1867 Yorkshire
POPPLETON, Alice Daughter F 1 1870 Yorkshire
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Piece:
4647 Folio:
236 Page:
2 Registration District:
Barnsley
Civil Parish:
Barnsley Municipal Borough:
Barnsley Address:
New Street, Barnsley County:
Yorkshire
Μύ Do not believe this to be the right family as even on 1861 it is Mary Jane and she is with her father in 1881
ChristineΜύ I meant NOT the right family
Christine -
Message 14
Posted by gb4yzj (U2355837) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
Christine I wouldn't accept that as evidence as lots of people put names of fathers on marriage certs just to save face. Also the census doesn't establish parental or grandparents they may just have taken him in.
Have you found a baptism for him.Μύ No we have not found a baptism
Christine -
Message 15
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
I am also pointed towards John and Hannah's daughter. Here they are on 1871 - name is wrong but the family/occupation is right. The youngest children are b High hoyland
Name: Mary Popplewell
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Popplewell
Mother's Name: Hannah Popplewell
Gender: Female
Where born: Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Bretton
Ecclesiastical parish: Silkstone
Town: Bretton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wakefield
Sub-registration district: Bretton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 95
Piece: 4613
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John Popplewell 47
Hannah Popplewell 41
Geo Popplewell 20
Mary Popplewell 14
John Mitchel Popplewell 12
Nancy Popplewell 10
Robert S Popplewell 7
William Popplewell 5
Emiley Popplewell 3
Henry Popplewell 1 -
Message 16
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
The age is slightly out but this might fit a maternal death, which would lead to William junior being taken in by the Gillott "family" he is always with
Name: Mary Ann Poppleton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1879
Age at Death: 19
Registration district: Barnsley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 123 -
Message 17
Posted by gb4yzj (U2355837) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
The age is slightly out but this might fit a maternal death, which would lead to William junior being taken in by the Gillott "family" he is always with
Name: Mary Ann Poppleton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1879
Age at Death: 19
Registration district: Barnsley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 123 Μύ Yes Mabel this death certificate is being picked up next Friday from the registry office.
Christine -
Message 18
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
1881 for info
John GILLOTT Head M Male 56 Worsbro, York, England Retired Carpenter & Farmer
Elizabeth GILLOTT Wife M Female 47 Worsbro, York, England
William GILLOTT Son U Male 20 Worsbro, York, England Carpenter
Thomas GILLOTT Son Male 10 Worsbro, York, England Scholar
William H. POPPLETON G Son Male 2 Worsbro, York, England -
Message 19
Posted by gb4yzj (U2355837) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
Yes Tourmie this is where we found the connection to the Gillott family and my friend said that when his mum & dad got married his dad asked a relative which name he should use Poppleton or Gillott.
Christine -
Message 20
Posted by gb4yzj (U2355837) on Saturday, 17th December 2011
We now have the Death Certificate
Mary Ann Poppleton
She died 18 Jun 1879 at Platts Common Hoyland Barnsley.
In occupation it says Fathers Name Henry Poppleton, Miner
She died of Bronchial Pneumonia, under this is written confirmed after 5 days and then a name and letters which signify a doctor
The death was registered by Emma Green who was present at the death, registered on 28 Jun 1879.
I have also checked on a website that gives all the burials in the Barnsley area and she is not listed on there in fact there are no Poppleton's listed that would correspond with the date of death.
This is the website for burials
Christine
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