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John Doyles wives/partners
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Message 1.Β
Posted by CANALGYPSY (U14978995) on Wednesday, 30th November 2011
I am looking for Elizabeth Garbett and then .....Bywaters
John Doyle' married ? these 2 ladies after LIZZIE DOYLE died in 1915
The children named George, Horace, Irene and Harold. Horace died aged 13 -
Message 2
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Wednesday, 30th November 2011
Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Bywaters Elizabeth Doyle Tamworth 6b 708
Doyle John Bywaters Tamworth 6b 708
Mason Samuel R Seaggall Tamworth 6b 708
Scaggall Winifred Mason Tamworth 6b 708 -
Message 3
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 30th November 2011
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Bywaters Elizabeth Doyle Tamworth 6b 708 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Doyle John Bywaters Tamworth 6b 708 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mason Samuel R Seaggall Tamworth 6b 708
Scaggall Winifred Mason Tamworth 6b 708
Just this one
Edna -
Message 4
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 30th November 2011
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
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Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Doyle Horace Byswater Cannock 6b 807
Just one birth
Edna -
Message 5
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 30th November 2011
Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
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Doyle George Garbett Cannock 6b 854
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Message 6
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 30th November 2011
Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
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Doyle Irene Bywaters Cannock 6b 975
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Births Jun 1926 (>99%)
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Doyle Harold A Bywaters Cannock 6b 834 -
Message 7
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Wednesday, 30th November 2011
Can't see a Doyle/ Garbett marriage George mmn Garbett was born in Sept Qtr 1916 but John Doyle married Bywaters in March Qtr 1916 ........
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Message 8
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Wednesday, 30th November 2011
Am I missing something here.
If John Doyle married Elizabeth Bywaters in Mar 1916 how could he be having son George by ? Garbett in Sep 1916?
The first Bywaters child isn't born until Jun 1918.
Perhaps a Doyle/Garbett marriage didn't take place?
Pheno -
Message 9
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Wednesday, 30th November 2011
My best guess is that Elizabeth was also known as Garbett (through use of step parent's surname possibly) or previous marriage to a Mr Bywaters. Can;t find any proof yet
Do you have idea of her age/place of birth? -
Message 10
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
A Search of FreeBMD for Elizabeth Garbett between 1880 and 1900 in all areas brings up too many to list here in and around the area of Birmingham,Dudley, ect., so a likely marriage or other possibilites to a Bywaters/Byswater.
No time to check through it all now but just a thought.
Edna -
Message 11
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
A Search of FreeBMD for Elizabeth Garbett between 1880 and 1900 in all areas brings up too many to list here in and around the area of Birmingham,Dudley, ect., so a likely marriage or other possibilites to a Bywaters/Byswater.
No time to check through it all now but just a thought.
·΅»ε²Τ²ΉΜύ Nothing coming up for a Bywaters/Bywaters/Byswaters marriage between 1880 and 1911 ( all areas )
Of course getting the birth certs would settle it , though expensive I know -
Message 12
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
interesting puzzle!
Just to give some idea on how old John Doyle was, here is Lizzie Doyle's death
Name: Lizzie Doyle
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1915
Age at Death: 31
Registration district: Cannock
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 605
Given her age, I can't see John Doyle with a wife called Lizzie in 1911 -
Message 13
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
his first marriage
Marriages Jun 1908
DOYLE John Cannock 6b 912
Stephens Lizzie Cannock 6b 912 -
Message 14
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
1911
Ancestry image 112/597
Name: Mr Doyle
Number of Males: 2
Number of Females: 1
Household schedule number: 56
Street Address: 171 Cannock Road, Chadsmoor
Civil parish: Cannock
Ecclesiastical parish: Cannock W D
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Cannock
Registration District Number: 2
Sub-registration district: Cannock
Sub-Registration District Number: 2
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
John Doyle head mar 23 Coal miner hewer born Staffs Loughton
Lizzie Doyle wife 20 Cannock Staffs
Harry Doyle son 11 months Cannock Staffs
married 3 years 2 children born 2 living -
Message 15
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
Tis is possibly them , They claim to have 2 children none died , On the original there's a smudge over the age of Lizzie , so her age may not be 20 as the transcription says,
DOYLE, John Head Married
3 years M 23 1888 Coal Miner Hewer Staffs Longton
DOYLE, Lizzie Wife Married F 20 1891 None Staffordshire Cannock
DOYLE, Harry Son Single M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Staffordshire Cannock
Address:
171 Cannock Road Chadsmoor Cannock County:
Staffordshire -
Message 16
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
WWI pension records
Name: John Doyle
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Age at enlistment: 26
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 17795
Regiment Name: South Staffordshire Regiment
Number of images: 4
living at 107 Cecil St Chadsmoor, Cannock Staffs
miner
married
enlisted 25 February 1915
next of kin
wife Lizzie Doyle nee Stephens
married St Lukes Church Cannock 19 Apr 1908
deceased 30 Apr 1915
children
Frederick James 27 Apr 1909
Harry 8 May 1910
Ernest 22 Sept 1911
Gwendoline 15 Jan 1914
discharged KRA 392 (xv) 29 May 1915
(not being likely to become an efficient soldier?
shame it ends before 1916! -
Message 17
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
I think this is Elizabeth Garbett in 1901.. age 3
Name: Elizabeth Garbett
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Garbett
Gender: Female
Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Longton
Ecclesiastical parish: Normacot Holy Evangelist
Town: Longton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 2617
Folio: 44
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
William Garbett 33
Elizabeth Garbett 33
Ethel Garbett 10
William Garbett 9
Harold Garbett 7
Elizabeth Garbett 3
Now I'm not sure if her parents married -
Message 18
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
There's a Fred Doyle aged 2 on the 1911, in the Eye Infirmary Wolverhampton
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Message 19
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
1911
Name: Mr Garbett
Number of Males: 6
Number of Females: 6
Household schedule number: 11
Street Address: 77 Anchor Road
Civil parish: Longton
Ecclesiastical parish: Loughton St John The Bapt Lane End
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Registration District Number: 4
Sub-registration district: Longton
Sub-Registration District Number: 4
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1025
GARBETT ELIZABETH F 1869 42 Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire
GARBETT ELIZABETH F 1898 13 Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire
GARBETT ETHEL F 1891 20 Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire
GARBETT GEORGE M 1903 8 Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire
GARBETT GLADYS F 1904 7 Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire
GARBETT HAROLD M 1894 17 Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire
GARBETT LISSIE IRENE F 1909 2 Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire
GARBETT STANLEY JOSEPH M 1906 5 Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire
GARBETT WILLIAM M 1869 42 Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire
GARBETT WILLIAM M 1892 19 Stoke upon Trent Staffordshire
I can't find the image to see how long they've been married -
Message 20
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
mmn is ASH not Bywaters
how strange -
Message 21
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
Married 21 years , 10 children 2 died
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Message 22
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 1st December 2011
For confirmation ...........
Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
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ASH Mary Elizabeth Stoke T. 6b 303
Garbett William Stoke T. 6b 303
Johnson Alfred Henry Stoke T. 6b 303
Rowley Mary Ann W Stoke T. 6b 303
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