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Message 1.Β
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Monday, 28th November 2011
William Rapley 1877 India
Can someone please give me the census 1891, 1901 and 1911 (if poss) with others and occupations, where born etc.
My sub ran out last week!
Think I've got him from family search with parents Abraham and Catherine, and a possible marriage for them in Cork 1869. What is possible to find out about them in the Irish records? -
Message 2
Posted by Small Town Girl (U1483784) on Monday, 28th November 2011
1891 :
Abraham is Port Commissionare, b. Havering, Essex.
Cathering, b. Ireland, as are the first two children. William and Agnes born India.
Name: William Rapley
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Abraham Rapley
Mother's Name: Catherine Rapley
Gender: Male
Where born: India
Civil parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3217
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Rapley 46
Catherine Rapley 42
James Rapley 24
Elizabeth Rapley 19
William Rapley 14
Agnes Rapley 11
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Address = 9 Wellington Street, Salford.
STG -
Message 3
Posted by Small Town Girl (U1483784) on Monday, 28th November 2011
In 1901 he's in Gibralter, aboard naval vessel Resolution. Listed as "AB" which I presume means Able Seaman, and he's also said to be married.
Name: William Rapley
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Crew
Gender: Male
Where born: India
Civil parish: Vessels
Town: Gibraltar
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Royal Navy at Sea and in Ports Abroad
Sub-registration district: RN Ships
ED, institution, or vessel: Resolution
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 5332
Folio: 63
Page Number: 9 -
Message 4
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Thanks very much.
Can you see the rest of this family in 1901?
(I think Elizabeth might have got married in 1899 to Ernest Sinkinson (but only got this from freebmd), -
Message 5
Posted by Small Town Girl (U1483784) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Can't do William in 1911 'cos A*y hasn't indexed England yet and W Rapley is just too common, esp as we don't have any idea whereabouts in the country he was.
But, here is Abraham with his parents in 1851. Father, Isaac is a baker, b. Stapleford Abbot, Glos. Mother Mary and all the children b. Havering. The adults listed after the children seem to be lodgers.
Name: Abraham Rapley
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Isaac Rapley
Mother's Name: Mary Rapley
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Havering, Essex, England
Civil parish: Havering
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Romford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 1772
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Rapley 48
Mary Rapley 48
John Rapley 10
Hannah Rapley 8
Abraham Rapley 6
Sarah Rapley 4
Henry Blumfield 19
Mary Hayward 88
Benjamin Wright 48
Eliza Wright 36 -
Message 6
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Yes he got married in 1899 to Dora Toeman (or Toman) can you see her with her family b 1877 India the same?
Her parents Thomas b 1851 Ireland and Dora b 1851 (or earlier) Ireland, can't find a marriage, may be Ireland
thanks -
Message 7
Posted by Small Town Girl (U1483784) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Someone on A*y has a photo of William and Ab (W's brother, I presume) in naval uniform and an Elizabeth Jane (W + A's elder sister?), and also a photo of "Christopher Abraham Rapley, 1844-1925 - Abraham Rapley on holiday in Scarborough".
If you're in OTR you can PM me (I'm SmallTownGirl there).
STG
PS : Off to see if I can find any more of the family for you. -
Message 8
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Oh yes, I like message 5. Wonderful.
And message 7.
I'm otr and silvery there as well. -
Message 9
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Got William in 1911 (from the main site and their free search, plus genes for place of birth).
Was wondering about parents, but may be able to pick 'em up now.
Toemans elusive. -
Message 10
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Silvery check your mail I have sent you all the india bapt of all the children
Abraham William is Your William b 1876 and looks like a twin?
Edna -
Message 11
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Just sent the births in Ireland from familysearch Cork Ireland Eliza and Isaac 71 and 70
Catherine Eliza Morrison MMN
Edna -
Message 12
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Thanks Edna, just been watching Gareth Malone and the South Oxhey choir - absoluuuutely fabulous programme.
He is so lovely. -
Message 13
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Dora's parents in 1891 - both b Ireland. He's a ship canal labourer
Name: Mary Ann Toman
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Toman
Mother's Name: Dora Toman
Gender: Female
Where born: British, India
Civil parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3223
Folio: 76
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Toman 48
Dora Toman 45
Mary Ann Toman 14 -
Message 14
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Was William's wife Dora or Mary Ann?
Name: Dora Torman
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Torman
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: Salford St Bartholomew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Piece: 3735
Folio: 44
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Torman 54
Dora Torman 53
Mary Ann Raply 24 - married. Sewing machinist. For some reason listed as a boarder?? -
Message 15
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Wonder if this short lived infant is Mary Ann's?
Name: Dora Toeman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1895
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 140
Can't see a death for either parent
Marriage: 5 Jun 1899 St Bartholomew, Salford, Lancashire, England
William Rapley - 22 Seaman Bachelor of 18 Martha St.
Mary Ann Toeman - 22 Tailoress Spinster of 13 Martha St.
Groom's Father: Abraham Rapley, Labourer
Bride's Father: Thomas Toeman, Labourer
Witness: Ernest Linkinson; Elizabeth Jane Linkinson
Married by Banns by: Edward H. Murdoch
Register: Marriages 1897 - 1901, Page 110, Entry 215
Source: LDS Film 1786465 -
Message 16
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Monday, 28th November 2011
That's nice Mabel, that's their married daughter!
William Rapley is in the navy in Gib. I wonder if they only had the one child.
Unless they played music for pleasure no sign of music yet for my music teacher, then.
Must be on his dad's side. -
Message 17
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Monday, 28th November 2011
That's looking good Mabel message 15. So Elizabeth is looking like William Rapley's sister (see message 4). -
Message 18
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Depends if the late Dora was his but more children were born
Here they are on 1911 - with mother in law, with a britalised name!
Salford Lancashire
RAPLEY WILLIAM M 1877 34
RAPLEY MARY ANN F 1877 34
RAPLEY WILLIAM JOHN M 1907 4
RAPLEY AGNES CATHERINE F 1910 10 MONTHS
TOENARY DORA F 1843 68
CARTER ANDREW M 1879 32 -
Message 19
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 28th November 2011
More definite children of theirs
Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Rapley Dora Toeman Salford 8d 202
Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
Rapley Dora 2 Salford 8d 252
Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
Rapley Abraham To_man Salford 8d 306
Some possibles
Births Sep 1899 (>99%)
Rapley Ida Salford 8d 120
Deaths Sep 1899 (>99%)
Rapley Ida 0 Salford 8d 106
Births Dec 1900 (>99%)
Rapley Agnes Winifred Salford 8d 107
Deaths Dec 1900 (>99%)
Rapley Agnes Winifred 0 Salford 8d 84 -
Message 20
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Monday, 28th November 2011
That's nice, the 1911 with Dora, the mother of Mary Ann. She died in 1912 and Thomas Rapley in 1902.
On the free search I wouldn't pick this up. Especially not with that spelling of the name Toman. I thought she might have fudged her age on the census (whichever) before - so whe was older than Thomas. She must have come clean at some stage as aged 67 on the death record in 1912. Although 68 in 1911. -
Message 21
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 28th November 2011
1911 census shows two children, two living, so ignore Isa and Agnes Winifred
William is an engineer's labourer b Kansalia Presidenty [?] - Bengal written above
Mary Ann b Myeer Presidenty - Bengal written above
Dora is a widow b Dublin
Andrew Carter a boarder b Wexford
Address 16 Jenning St -
Message 22
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Aah, those deaths.
there was another Agnes later on.
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