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What happened to Alexander?
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Message 1.Μύ
Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Monday, 28th November 2011
I have a birth registration for Alexander Dickenson Sept qtr 1876 West Derby,Liverpool.
I am convinced that this was the brother of my Gt Grandmother Margaret Amelia Dickenson b.5.Feb 1878 West Derby,Liverpool.
My Gt Grandmothers parents were Joseph Dickenson & Mary Ellen Ball.
Joseph died in 1879.However in the 1881 census Alexander is not there with Mary E.Dickenson (mother) & Margaret Amelia Dickenson (sister) who had moved to Wigan & were living with Mary's parents.
Can anyone find a possible death for Alexander Dickenson . -
Message 2
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Could this be him in 1881 with his other grandparents?
Miles DICKENSON Head M Male 56 Tarporley, Cheshire, England Primitive Minister
Ann A. DICKENSON Wife M Female 55 Isle of Man, England
Robert H. DICKENSON Son U Male 22 Northwich, Cheshire, England Grocer
Alexander DICKENSON G Son U Male 5 Liverpool -
Message 3
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Hmmm well that little chap is still with grandparents in 1891.
Miles Dickenson
66
Susannah Dickenson
60
Alexander Dickenson
14
Do you know who Josephs father was? If it was Miles then bingo. -
Message 4
Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Hmmm well that little chap is still with grandparents in 1891.
Miles Dickenson
66
Susannah Dickenson
60
Alexander Dickenson
14
Do you know who Josephs father was? If it was Miles then bingo. Μύ Wow! this is amazing.
I had never even thought to look at the census etc.for Alexander being with his other Grandparents.
Yes indeed,this is them.Thank you so much.
Joseph Dickensons parents were Miles Dickenson & Ann Amelia Dickenson(nee Harp)
I think the 1891c had a enumerator error with Susannah Dickenson.It should have read Ann Amelia.
Miles Dickenson died Ormskirk 19th May 1898.
I would like to know if possible what/where Alexander ended up.Miles had been a Primitive Methodist Minister & his 4 sons,Alexander,Joseph,Silas & Robert Henry all were Lay Preachers.It would be interesting to find if Alexander went down that road. -
Message 5
Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Hmmm well that little chap is still with grandparents in 1891.
Miles Dickenson
66
Susannah Dickenson
60
Alexander Dickenson
14
Do you know who Josephs father was? If it was Miles then bingo. Μύ Wow! this is amazing.
I had never even thought to look at the census etc.for Alexander being with his other Grandparents.
Yes indeed,this is them.Thank you so much.
Joseph Dickensons parents were Miles Dickenson & Ann Amelia Dickenson(nee Harp)
I think the 1891c had a enumerator error with Susannah Dickenson.It should have read Ann Amelia.
Miles Dickenson died Ormskirk 19th May 1898.
I would like to know if possible what/where Alexander ended up.Miles had been a Primitive Methodist Minister & his 4 sons,Alexander,Joseph,Silas & Robert Henry all were Lay Preachers.It would be interesting to find if Alexander went down that road.Μύ Just done another check of the details I have for Miles Dickenson my 3xGt Grandfather.In 1886 he was widowed when Ann Amelia died 8B620 March qtr Ormskirk.
Miles last ministry was in 1889 in Southport,so I presume that Susannah Dickenson in 1891c was a 2nd spouse for him. -
Message 6
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Glad it was the right family
Here's the first marriage but I can't see a second to Susannah.
Marriages Sep 1849 (>99%)
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Dickenson Miles Northwich 19 169
Harp Ann Amelia Northwich 19 169 -
Message 7
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Monday, 28th November 2011
I wonder if she was a wife because in 1901 she appears to be down as single.
Martha E Hurlbutt - head
57
Maria D Dunning - step sister
44
Susannah Dickenson - aunt
70
Could she be a sister to Miles instead? -
Message 8
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Monday, 28th November 2011
PS At 14 Alexander was clerk in post office. Will see if can find him after that.
Possible marriage.
Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Darcy Daniel Chester 8a 765
Dickenson Alexander Chester 8a 765
Harding Charlotte Elizabeth R Chester 8a 765
WOODS Leah Chester 8a 765 -
Message 9
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Maybe not
That one marries Charlotte but gives place of birth Christleton Cheshire.
Here they are in 1901 and he is a carpenter and joiner.
Alex Dickenson
28
Charlotte E R Dickenson
21
Dorothy H Dickenson
4
Ernest C Dickenson
2 -
Message 10
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Hang on how about this one he is a postal clerk boarding with this family in Birkdale Lancs. Birthplace given Chester.
William Marchant
62
Lucy Marchant
61
Margaret Marchant
31
Louis T Marchant
28
Alec Dickenson
23 -
Message 11
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Birkdale is in Southport and the death registration district was Ormskirk which was the correct districy for Southport at that time.
Edna -
Message 12
Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Monday, 28th November 2011
I wonder if she was a wife because in 1901 she appears to be down as single.
Martha E Hurlbutt - head
57
Maria D Dunning - step sister
44
Susannah Dickenson - aunt
70
Could she be a sister to Miles instead?Μύ Martha Hurlbutt was the daughter of Miles eldest sister Maria & husband William Hurlbutt.
Susannah was another sister of Miles b.1831
I cannot place Maria D Dunning although Hannah Dickenson youngest sister of Miles married a Henry Dunning.I only have the following children for them.
Frederick 1865,Sarah 1868,Elizabeth 1870,Ellen 1871,Henry 1877,Hannah 1880 -
Message 13
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Monday, 28th November 2011
here's Susanna baptism , she could well be a sister to Joseph
Name: Susanna Dickinson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1831
Christening Date: 23 Jul 1831
Christening Place: Tarporley, Cheshire, England
Father's Name: Joseph Dickinson
Mother's Name: Martha -
Message 14
Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Monday, 28th November 2011
My Alexander Dickenson was b.West Derby but Miles his grandad was born Cheshire with most of the family coming from around Nantwich & Tarporley.
Perhaps as he was only 3yrs when he was taken to live with his grandparents he may have assumed that is where he was born.Although on the 1881c it does say he was born W.Derby. -
Message 15
Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Monday, 28th November 2011
here's Susanna baptism , she could well be a sister to Joseph
Name: Susanna Dickinson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1831
Christening Date: 23 Jul 1831
Christening Place: Tarporley, Cheshire, England
Father's Name: Joseph Dickinson
Mother's Name: Martha
Μύ Susannah was sister of Miles Dickenson.
Their parents were Joseph Dickenson b.1788 Over,Cheshire -Schoolmaster
& Martha Lydiatt. They married 1817 in Tarporley,Cheshire -
Message 16
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Monday, 28th November 2011
1861
Name: Maria D Dunning
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Dunning
Mother's Name: Maria Dunning
Gender: Female
Where born: Tarporley, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Tarporley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Nantwich
Sub-registration district: Bunbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Piece: 2621
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Dunning 30 born Cheshire ( no specific place given)
Maria Dunning 41 born Tarporley
Martha E Hurlbutt 17 step daughter
Henry Dunning 7
Maria D Dunning 4
Thomas W Dunning 1
William Jackson 20
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2621; Folio: 10; Page: 13; GSU roll: 543000. -
Message 17
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Marriages Dec 1853 (>99%)
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Dunning Thomas Nantwich 8a 465
Hurlburt Maria Nantwich 8a 465
Hurlbutt Maria Nantwich 8a 465 -
Message 18
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Deaths Jun 1849 (>99%)
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Hurlbutt William Nantwich 19 132
There were 2 to choose from , but Maria is down as a widow in 1851 census so the Dec 1851 entry wasn't the correct one -
Message 19
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 28th November 2011
< Martha Hurlbutt was the daughter of Miles eldest sister Maria & husband William Hurlbutt.
Susannah was another sister of Miles b.1831
I cannot place Maria D Dunning although Hannah Dickenson youngest sister of Miles married a Henry Dunning.I only have the following children for them.
Frederick 1865,Sarah 1868,Elizabeth 1870,Ellen 1871,Henry 1877,Hannah 1880 >
I think Maria and Hannah married brothers, as Hannah's Henry was b Cheshire c1840 and Maria's Thomas b c1830
Name: Henry Dunning
Age: 6 MO
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil parish: St Oswald
Hundred: Chester
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub-registration district: Cathedral Division
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 130
Book: 3
Folio: 13
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
John Dunning 40
Sarah Dunning 40
Thomas Dunning 10
William Dunning 8
Robert Dunning 5
Ellen Dunning 3
Henry Dunning 6 MO -
Message 20
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Great minds Mabel !! , I spotted that one too , and was about to post !
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Message 21
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Monday, 28th November 2011
Possible death for Alexander.
Deaths Sep 1932 (>99%)
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Dickenson Alexander 59 Chester 8a 402 -
Message 22
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Monday, 28th November 2011
In case you hadn't seen this
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941
about Martha Eliza Hurlbutt
Name: Martha Eliza Hurlbutt
Probate Date: 22 May 1933
Death Date: 17 Dec 1932
Death Place: Cheshire, England
Registry: Cheshire
Martha address was 21 Victoria St Tarporley , she died a spinster leaving Β£1068 6s 7d to Maria Dunning spinster -
Message 23
Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Tuesday, 29th November 2011
No,I hadn't seen this & it is very interesting.I am wondering who Maria Dunning (spinster ) is who she left her money to.
Maria Hurlbutt (nee Dickenson) was the eldest of 6 sisters & 2 brothers.She first married William Hurlbutt in 1843 Nantwich Dec qtr but by 1851c she was widowed.In 1853 8a 465 she had married Thomas Dunning.I have not got the names of any of her children other than Martha.Maria was also a twin to Ann who married a Thomas Egerton.
Hannah Dunning nee Dickenson the sister of Maria was also a twin.Maria & Ann were the eldest b.1821 & Hannah & Catherine were the youngest.
I have the children of Hannah & there isn't a Maria amongst them,so I wonder if Martha had a half sister from her mothers 2nd marriage to Thomas Dunning. -
Message 24
Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Tuesday, 29th November 2011
No,I hadn't seen this & it is very interesting.I am wondering who Maria Dunning (spinster ) is who she left her money to.
Maria Hurlbutt (nee Dickenson) was the eldest of 6 sisters & 2 brothers.She first married William Hurlbutt in 1843 Nantwich Dec qtr but by 1851c she was widowed.In 1853 8a 465 she had married Thomas Dunning.I have not got the names of any of her children other than Martha.Maria was also a twin to Ann who married a Thomas Egerton.
Hannah Dunning nee Dickenson the sister of Maria was also a twin.Maria & Ann were the eldest b.1821 & Hannah & Catherine were the youngest.
I have the children of Hannah & there isn't a Maria amongst them,so I wonder if Martha had a half sister from her mothers 2nd marriage to Thomas Dunning.Μύ I have just found the answer of who Maria Dunning was.
1881c Tarporley,Cheshire RG11/3550/6/5
Thomas Dunning (H) 51 Chester Baker & Grocer (Master)
Maria " (W)62 Tarporley Bakers Wife
Martha E Hurlbutt (D) 37(U) " " Asst
Maria Dunning (D) 24(U) " Grocers "
Thomas W.Dunning(S)20(U) " Baker -
Message 25
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Tuesday, 29th November 2011
Just out of interest I looked on the Postal Service Appt Books and there is an Alex Dickenson who was a sorting clerk in 1893 in Southport which seems to fit.
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Message 26
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Tuesday, 29th November 2011
My message 12 has Maria on the 1861 census along with Martha Hurlbutt
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Message 27
Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Tuesday, 29th November 2011
Yes,Bashfuljan 157 & I answered it.
Obviously I was wandering into one of my senior moments & not seeing what I was looking at. Forgive me please! -
Message 28
Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Tuesday, 29th November 2011
Just out of interest I looked on the Postal Service Appt Books and there is an Alex Dickenson who was a sorting clerk in 1893 in Southport which seems to fit.Μύ Hi Tourmie,
I am sure this will have been my Alexander Dickenson as like you say it all seems to fit.
I feel so sad that he & my Gt Grandmother Margaret Amelia had been split up at an early age.Alexander 3 yrs & Margaret A . only 1yr
My Mum & her younger sister were practically brought up by Margaret & they say that she always said she would have liked a brother or sister so it appears that neither of them knew of each other.How sad is that!
Margaret had 7 children of her own.I wonder if Alex had any? -
Message 29
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Tuesday, 29th November 2011
Oops ! Oh what an idiot I am ! .......... my message re 1861 was message 16 not 12 !! so I was having a senior moment too ! Time for food I think to get my brain into gear !! LOL
You're forgiven Betty
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