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Message 1.Β
Posted by Pauline and Ellen (U15041617) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Hi everyone we are new to this. We are Mother and daughter and looking for a family member and stumbled accross this site and the post listed below.
Fay is a friend of ours and I just wanted to say how flippin fabulous you are!!!!!!!!
I have been trying to find details of my Grandmothers birth for 3 years now (on and off) and was starting to wonder if she had been adopted at birth and registered under a different birth name and after some diggin, you tell us the age at death was wrong and fish out all of the correct info.
I have now requested a copy birth certicicate which I am sure will reveal a whole lot more about this amazing woman who I sadly never had the chance to meet.
"Fay, As you have the date of marriage, are you going by remembering a wedding anniversary or do you have the mariage cert as I suspect that the marriage may be for the one who died in 1960 and who had children 1952 & 1955.
As the age of the deceased Ellen Barker has now been confirmed as 35 is it correct to assume that she is likely to be this Ellen Faulkner born 1924 Wallingford, Hants?"
Now these details seem to fit very well as my mum (Pauline, Daughter of Ellen Faulkner) was born in 1952 and her younger brother born in 1955. I am amazed how you found this all out from so little info and even incorrect info and I am keen to learn how you did it. I had a lot of info and still struggled to work it all out.
Thank you very much. If you are able to help any further we will be soley grateful and I am sure we will get the hang of this. We are currently using ansestry.com to put together our family tree. -
Message 2
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Hello Pauline and Ellen,
Welcome to the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ board where we are all members at home doing a hobby we enjoy and helping here with subs or free sites and usually have a general knowledge about family history research.
The thread you have posted about are you saying that Fay was searching on your behalf for this family, but she did not come back to see all the replys which often happens on this bopard as your messages dont appear right away as they go into moderation when you first join so some people post then dont come back.
You have a lot from what has been found but what in particular do you need help with and someone here will help you find it.
I see you have a sub to Ancestry but beware of the trees held there as not all what you find on them is correct so dont follow blindly other peoples research as it may be wrong, confirm everything you find with a cert if you can and never copy someone elses work as fact.
Edna -
Message 3
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Hi Pauline & Ellen, welcome to the board.
I made the post that you quoted but don't know if Fay ever returned to the board or solved her problem.
I really can't remember how I found that info but given a bit of time expect I can retrace my steps.
Pheno -
Message 4
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Here is Fays original thread which will be easier to read than the one in your message
Edna -
Message 5
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Edna help - how do I find the original thread now that I no longer subscribe to the discussion.
I did do a search for Faulkner but it only gave this thread.
Are they deleted after a period of time?
Thanks, Pheno -
Message 6
Posted by Pauline and Ellen (U15041617) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Well we were looking for the date of birth of Ellen Florence Faulker as we never knew her exact DOB but do have copy death and Marriage Cert.
We are now trying to trace her family back. We know she had 2 sisters (Iris and Linda) to which we do not know their DOB, if they are still alive or any details from their marriage(s).
We know Ellen Faulkner's Father was Albert George Faulkner and her Mother was Evelyn again we do not have any other info.
How do you find this info with very little to go on? What sites do you recommend as we just have the basics and DOB, DOD for more imediate family members and would like to trace the family back as far as we can as it is really interesting.
Thanks for all your help. -
Message 7
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Thanks Edna, you found the thread whilst I was asking about it.
Do you have a crystal ball?
Pheno -
Message 8
Posted by Pauline and Ellen (U15041617) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Yes fay is a friend who posted on here on our behalf and when we were trying to again trace things stumbled accross this site and found out that you seem to have hit the nail on the head.
If you need any further info just ask I have copy certificates -
Message 9
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
It seems I am taking the glory from Jo now - I didn't find the original info (the original poor thread made me think I did).
Anyway I think that knowing her approximate dob from death details and knowing her maiden name from the birth info it was fairly easy to plump for the birth of an Ellen F Faulkner in 1924.
There are quite a few free sites available for use. Once you know the details of one generation then you can generally trace the next generation back.
You should be able to find Albert George and Evelyn on the 1911 census although possibly not married at that stage.
We can't help with finding her sisters on this board I'm afraid as they could still be living and that would be against the rules.
Genes Reunited is often good for living relatives.
Pheno -
Message 10
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
No Crystal Ball Pheno but I know how to search the board by checking the posting date and back tracking so way ahead of your thoughts as the one in the thread was too hard to read.
Most people here have Ancestry or Find my Past subs but there are free website such as FreeBMD and Familysearch which I use both of these.
It also depends on the dates as the free ones only usually show over 100 years or pre 1980.
Most people here can find their way around the census and BMDs quite easily as years of practise helps.
You will need to post 20 messages before being out of premod and have your messages appear right away so dont let this deter you as we will see each message that you post.
Edna -
Message 11
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
I have just checked the trees on genesreunited and no one had Ellen or Albert George Falkener
Edna -
Message 12
Posted by Pauline and Ellen (U15041617) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
So if I want to trace Albert George Faulkner (married to Evelyn maiden name unknown) where do I start? His Daughter Ellen married in 1952 to George Harold Barker so he must have died after 1952.
Sorry I am a bit simple but I cant figure how to start searching as the info available is so limited I can not pin point which is the right one.
Is anyone able to provide assistanfe 'for dummies' lol
Ellen -
Message 13
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
If you have an Ancestry sub then put Albert George Falkener into the search box on ancestry with his wifes first name and see what comes up, its been a long time since I searched the census or Ancestry so not certain now.
It should bring you some options to look at
Edna -
Message 14
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Hi, how certain are you about Albert George Faulkner & Evelyn. I have just searched FMP for a marriage and can't find an Albert Faulkner married to an Evelyn.
There are some Faulkner/Evelyn marriages, the likely ones seeming to be either in Wandsworth, London in the 3rd quarter of 1911 and that is Arthur George rather than Albert George, she is Evelyn C Worth, or one in Windsor, Berkshire in the final quarter of 1910 and that is between Albert H Faulkner and Evelyn E Bowyer.
And also, just because daughter Ellen married in 1952 doesn't necessarily mean he didn't die until after that, unless you have the marriage certificate that doesn't specifically state deceased, or perhaps you know he signed as a witness.
Pheno -
Message 15
Posted by Pauline and Ellen (U15041617) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Hi Edna,
thanks for helping. I have put the details into ancestry and tried looking for a marriage first given I have his wifes name but the reason I am struggling is because it does not show names of the spouse. I am being extra simple??
Ellen -
Message 16
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Work backwards from your mothers birth cert which will give names of both parents then the parents marriage should give details of their fathers and so on, its the only real way to go so work on the facts you have already.
Edna -
Message 17
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Hi Ellen, I also did an A*y search and didn't come across an appropriate Albert George Faulkner. Its difficult when you haven't got any idea of dates.
Going back to Ellen's marriage certificate what does it state as name of father and his occupation?
Also, how do you know Ellen's mother was called Evelyn? It won't show on her daughter Ellen's marriage certificate and if I recall it was her husband who registered her death so what is the source of the mother's name being Evelyn?
It seems as if the parents might be just as difficult to find as the daughter.
Pheno -
Message 18
This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the in some way.
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Message 19
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Please do not post information of living people as it is againt the rules of the board as well as being unwise as fraud can take place by the unscrupulous.
Just add details of her father and see what comes up if anything
Edna -
Message 20
Posted by Pauline and Ellen (U15041617) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Ahhh the only live person I referred to was my mum and she is doing this with me and consents to her name being used so we can try to trace the right family members. I did not think that would cause a problem.
Wrist oficially slapped -
Message 21
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
I am on the phone but the one who modded your message was not me, and we dont make the rules its the bbc.
I have copied the message you wrote as you posted it as it would have been taken off. I have removed the details
: Faulkner Family
Message 18, in reply to message 16.
Posted by Pauline and Ellen (U15041617) ** on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011 (12 Minutes Ago)
LOL I thought I was going mad. I Have Albert's Daughters Marriage certificate (Ellen Florence 15.03.1952) which confirms his name to be Albert George Faulkner and he was a Foreman of Checkers British Railways. My mum can not be 100% re the name Evelyn.
My mum *** states she recalls Albert although thinks he may have passed away when she was about 5 ish .
Edna -
Message 22
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
I hope this last message is ok as I thought it may be taken off so copied it as soon as I saw it but just removed the living information and left the rest.
I cant find anything on Free BMD so can not help you further but I do hope someone else can follow the details and maybe find census details for you.
Edna -
Message 23
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
This is a possible starter for someone to follow then:
Civil Registration event: Death
Name: FAULKNER, Albert G
Registration District: Lambeth
County: London
Year of Registration: 1956
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 66
Volume No: 5C
Page No: 975
This is the only Albert G death, although he could of course, just have been registered as Albert.
Anyway as a starter this would mean a dob of 1890ish.
Pheno -
Message 24
Posted by Pauline and Ellen (U15041617) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Thanks for all your help. The ones I want to find I am struggling with but I am finding other bits and bobs as we go.
Maybe Ellen Florence may become clearer when we get her Birth Certificate through.
Thanks again -
Message 25
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
If the 1920s birth for Ellen in Wallingford on the other thread is correct, her mother's maiden name was Shaw, which leads to this likely candidate for the marriage
Name: Tom Faulkner
Spouse Surname: Shaw
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916
Registration district: Wallingford
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 708
Find Spouse: Find Spouse
Name: Edith E Shaw
Spouse Surname: Faulkner
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916
Registration district: Wallingford
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 708
Find Spouse: Find Spouse -
Message 26
Posted by Pauline and Ellen (U15041617) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
ooooo thanks Pheno, this could be fella.
I think I am starting to get the hang of this now lol -
Message 27
Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
We members are nothing to do with the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ, of course, and I think the site is run by a non-Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ IT firm. The moderators employed to manage the site are very strict about not posting personal details such as email addresses or phone numbers, and they absolutely do not allow any discussion of living people. It doesn't matter that your mum gave her consent, they just won't allow it, which is a good thing really because everything posted on here can be seen by any Tom Dick or Harry who might make use of it. This is why we are supposed to use nicknames. -
Message 28
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Two possible 1911 entries:
either
Person: FAULKNER, Albert George
Address: Lower Shelton Marston Ampthill Bedfordshire
FAULKNER, Alfred Head Married M 46 1865 Brickyard Labourer Marston Beds
FAULKNER, Annie Wife Married
22 years F 45 1866 Lacemaker Marston Beds
FAULKNER, Herbert Son Single M 20 1891 Brickyard Labourer Marston Beds
FAULKNER, Albert George Son Single M 19 1892 Brickyard Labourer Marston Beds
FAULKNER, Hilda Daughter School F 12 1899 School Marston Beds
FAULKNER, Kathleen May Daughter School F 6 1905 School Marston Beds
FAULKNER, Henrietta Daughter F 1 1910 Marston Beds
Registration District:
Ampthill Sub District:
Cranfield Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Marston Moretaine
or listed the other way around, which was very common,
Person: FAULKNER, George Albert
Address: Pear Tree Cottage Heath Road Leighton Buzzard
FAULKNER, William Head Married M 55 1856 Private Means Herts Hunton Bridge
FAULKNER, Sarah Wife Married
32 years F 54 1857 Lines Weston
FAULKNER, Frank Thomas Son Single M 25 1886 Carpenter Buckingham Linslade
FAULKNER, Emily Daughter Single F 20 1891 Dressmaker Bucks Linslade
FAULKNER, Jessie Mabel Daughter Single F 18 1893 Dressmaker Beds Leighton Bussard
FAULKNER, Alec Joseph Son Single M 15 1896 Solicitor's Clerk Beds Leighton Bussard
CREAMER, Hilda Sarah Visitor Single F 25 1886 Nmo Occupaton Beds Toddington
FAULKNER, George Albert Son Single M 23 1888 Cycle And Motor Engineer Bucks Linslade
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
8964 Reference:
RG14PN8964 RG78PN474 RD177 SD1 ED7 SN140
Maybe someone else can take up the search from here?
Pheno -
Message 29
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
And possible deaths
Name: Edith Emily Faulkner
Birth Date: Feb 1896
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1976
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Wallingford
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 20
Page: 3298
Name: Thomas Faulkner
Birth Date: 13 Dec 1889
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1978
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Wallingford
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 20
Page: 2450
Name: Thomas George Faulkner
Birth Date: 9 May 1902
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1980
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Wallingford
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 20
Page: 2440 -
Message 30
Posted by Pauline and Ellen (U15041617) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
ahh you guys are amazing
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Message 31
Posted by Pauline and Ellen (U15041617) on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Hmmm I am a bit lost, I do not think these fit.
Ellen Florence Faulkner was definately the daughter of Albert George Falkner. Ellen's Mothers name is uncertain.
Ellen also had an older sister and a younger sister (Iris and Linda).
Ellen married in 1952 and became Barker and passed away on 11 June 1960 age 35.
So does that mean the possible DOB on the other link is wrong or have I completly lost the plot?
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