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Message 1.Β
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Tuesday, 15th November 2011
I am interested in any info regarding my Great uncle, Francis Conley. He was born in Attercliffe, Sheffield, about 1870 to Peter Conley (Connolly) and Ann Sweeney. He had siblings John, James, Mary, Frances and my grand father, Joseph. He worked on the building of Railway wagons. I have found one in Oldbury, Worcestershire on the 1901 census married to a lady called Annie,from Oldbury, with 4 children but am not sure if he is the correct person? Maybe someone may know more?
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Message 2
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 15th November 2011
1881 for starters
Name: Francis Conolly
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Peter Chas. Conolly
Mother's Name: Ann Conolly
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield
Civil parish: Attercliffe Cum Darnall
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: No 33 Nightingale St
Education:
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Attercliffe
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4668
Folio: 56
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Chas. Conolly 43
Ann Conolly 46
John Conolly 18
Mary A. Conolly 12
James Conolly 14
Frances Conolly 10
Francis Conolly 8
Joseph Conolly 5 -
Message 3
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 15th November 2011
The Conley in Oldbury looks like his older brother James to me
Name: James Conley
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie Conley
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Oldbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Oldbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 230
Piece: 2716
Folio: 99
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
James Conley 34
Annie Conley 31
James Conley 7
Annie Conley 5
Francis Conley 4
Frederick Conley 2 -
Message 4
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 15th November 2011
Are you sure he survived? In 1891 I can see the sisters with big brother John in Lancaster and no parents and none of the brothers. Peter dies in 1885 - they may be in a workhouse badly recorded
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Message 5
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Tuesday, 15th November 2011
Could this be him in the WW1 pension records?
Name: Francis Conley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Age at enlistment: 40
Birth Parish: Darnall
Birth County: Yorkshire
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 2822
Regiment Name: L N Lanes Reg(S R)
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Message 6
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 15th November 2011
Well spotted - didn;t think of him as WWI age. If it is him he was a hawker living in Manchester and spent the best part of 4 years as a german prisoner of war. Looks like he was enlisted previously in 1890, which might explain why we can't find him. The records suggest he was on home service until 1892, then off to India and Ceylon, then back f=before going to S Africa in 1900
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Message 7
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 15th November 2011
Further examination - it is clearly him. Mother Ann, brothers John, James and Joseph and sisters Mary Ann and Frances
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Message 8
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
I am not sure and I do have the info you mention. However, I found a Francis Conley in Oldbury, Worcestershire, doing the same job and married to Annie from oldbury. So I am asking if anyone knows about this francis.
Bessie Bennett -
Message 9
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
Hi,
I agree with you but I was hoping that someone, related, could confirm it for me.
How he met his wife and where ect:
Thanks for your help.
Bessie -
Message 10
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
Could be him but the age is different to his birth date.
bessie -
Message 11
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
Now I am puzzled. Is it the Francis married and living in Olbury or is it the Prisoner of War Francis?
His age in the war info does not match his Birthdate.
Bessie -
Message 12
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
Now I am puzzled. Is it the Francis married and living in Olbury or is it the Prisoner of War Francis?
His age in the war info does not match his Birthdate. Could he have joined up from Oldbury?
Bessie -
Message 13
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
Can you please tell me how you are sure it is him? If it is I must alter my Family Tree details because I have him married to Annie in Oldbury.
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Message 14
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
Bessie - see message 3. I cannot find a Francis in Oldbury, but there is a James from Sheffield in Oldbury married to an Annie, with a child Francis
Francis, son of Peter and Ann was b c1873, it is his sister Frances who was b c1870 -
Message 15
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
I am not sure and I do have the info you mention. However, I found a Francis Conley in Oldbury, Worcestershire, doing the same job and married to Annie from oldbury. So I am asking if anyone knows about this francis.
Bessie BennettΒ What census do you have him in Oldbury ? -
Message 16
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
Bessie say 1901 in the opening post
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Message 17
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
No image available Search collectionAbout this collectionName: Francisca Connelly
Baptism/Christening Date: 26 Mar 1871
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Marie, Sheffield, York, England
Father's Name: Petri Connelly
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Mother's Name: Annae Sweeny
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04582-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1941822
Reference Number: Item 1 pg 597
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Baptism of Francis
Edna -
Message 18
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
The first Francis must have died and another son also named Francis Baptised later
Edna
Search collectionAbout this collectionName: Franciscus Connolly
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 24 Aug 1873
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Marie, Sheffield, York, England
Father's Name: Petri Connolly
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Mother's Name: Annae Sweeney
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04582-1
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1941822
Reference Number: Item 1 pg 45
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Message 19
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
The 1871 child is the daughter Frances , hence Fransisca in the latin, baptismal entry with the female ending -a, rather than the male version Fransiscus of 1873
See also the 1881 census for the family. Must have been confusing when they were being called for!
(knew my latin O level would come in handy one day!) -
Message 20
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
More baptismas here
Edna -
Message 21
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 16th November 2011
Well done for your Latin Mabel to clear that one up so now it is clearer to see the others
Edna -
Message 22
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 20th November 2011
Thanks. I will look up that e mail
Bessie -
Message 23
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 20th November 2011
In case I have not replied to this message I am doing so now. Thanks for your help. I did have this info. but was asking for help after he was married.
Bessie -
Message 24
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 20th November 2011
You are right. It was James I am searching. The name has got mixed up whilst doing my research.
Thanks.
Bessie -
Message 25
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 20th November 2011
It could be him. My Grand father, Joseph Terrance Connoly (Conley)was Francis' youngest brother and he settled in Manchester after marriage.
Francis may have used his address.
As I can't find another I am presuming it is my great uncle Francis.
Thanks.
Bessie -
Message 26
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 20th November 2011
This is most interesting. How did you get all this information please?
My Grand father was the youngest of the family. Joseph Terrance Connolly, later Conley.
He moved to Manchester after marrying Bessie Bennett Johnson from Lancaster so maybe Francis used Joseph's address?
I have found out about John, Frances, James and my Grand father but have had difficulty with Mary and Francis. Now I can put Francis away for a while because I have no way of finding out what happened to him in South Africa.
How do you know that he was a vagrant?
I am wondering now about info. my mother gave me over the years. She told me that her father, Joseph Conley, was a footballer for Manchester City, (not true). she also told me that he was in the first world war, injured and had a fruit and vegetable cart. Not true. Could it have been Francis?
Did he marry? Why was he out of work? Why did he go to SA after the war?
So many questions which I will probably never get answered.
Bessie. -
Message 27
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 20th November 2011
I have checked my first message and realized my mistake. It is James in Oldbury not Francis.
Now I have all the siblings info: apart from Mary.
Sorry for the error. must be age!!!!
Bessie -
Message 28
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 20th November 2011
Thanks Edna. My Latin was just 2 years but I did learn about the gender names' endings.
I am so grateful to all the persons on this Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ site who have helped me to find out about Francis. I discovered info: about all my Grand father's sibling apart from Francis and Mary. Now I have only Mary to research.
Bessie -
Message 29
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 20th November 2011
Was he in SA when the 1914 war started? Did he return to enlist or was he still in the army then.
Did he marry? Did he have a family? How I wish I had asked all these questions when my grandfather was alive.
Bessie -
Message 30
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 20th November 2011
Hi Bessie,
There is no need to reply to every message seperatley as it makes confusing reading and hard to follow,
when reading through make notes an what message you are replying to and each message has a number so reply to that number on the one you want to ask a question about as it will take less time too.
Edna -
Message 31
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 20th November 2011
Bessie
His army pension records which I can access due to my Ancestry subscription suggest that Francis first signed up in 1890 (Wonder if he lied about his age as he says he's 19). He's 5ft 5 3/4, has grey eys, brown hair and a deep scar on his right forehead. He was then working as a moulder. He joins the North Lancaster regiment at Preston
Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ 1890 -92 (this appears to include Enniskillen for a period in 1891, including the census date)
India 1982 - 1895
Ceylon 1896 - 1899
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S Africa 1900 - 1902
He is then discharged but remains in the Army reserve
He is resigned up in august 1914, probably a called up reservist. Age is now 40 and 9 months. Address 74 Jenkinson St Manchester, occupation hawker. Next of kin is brother Joseph at the same address -
Message 32
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Monday, 21st November 2011
Great new info for my tree. Thanks. I was a member of Ancestry for one year but had not started delving into branches of the family then. I now am in "Find my Past" but not impressed.
Maybe I can now find my Grand parents in the 1911 census using that address. They had 5 children by then but I can not find them.
Cheers,
Bessie -
Message 33
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Monday, 21st November 2011
I am not sure if my message went through so here I go again.
Thanks for the info: Great for my tree.
I was a memberv of Ancestry for a year but had not started delving into branches of the family then.
I am now a member of "Find my past" but not impressed.
Now that I have an address for Grand parents I may find then in the 1911 census. They had 5 children by 1911 but I can't find them.
My mother obviously had her father's details mixed up with her uncle Francis.
Is there any info: re my Grand father, Terrance Joseph Conley (Joe), in the 1914 war?
I was told that he was injured but it could have been Francis.
Hope you don't mind my asking.
Bessie
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