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Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Sunday, 30th October 2011
Hello hunters,
Please help with my search for:
STEPHEN CULLEN b.1797 - d.1854c
married:
HELENA FITZGERALD b.(c)1814 -d.?
Clifton Bristol.
I've got 3/4 children - Stephanus, Maria Anna and Ellen (although have two entries on Fam search for Maria Anna (do you think one of the girls died and then the parents named the next female the same?)
I would like to get more info on Stephen senior b.1797 and where he was born please and who his parents were?
Also anything on Helena Fitzgerald b.1814
Any info appreciated...
thank you
BH
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There are two entries for Helena 1832 and 1836 with these parents but can not find a death for Helena between these years.
Edna
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There are two entries for Helena 1832 and 1836 with these parents but can not find a death for Helena between these years.
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Thanks Edna...I'm brickwalling with this couple...I think also that both of them came into the UK via Ireland - but where in Ireland I've no idea...I've got a few possibles for Helena's parents but only one parent possible for Stephanus - Marty Cullen/Cullin...
Still hunting - thank you
BH
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I cant find the Helena birth now after trying many times so here are what I can find
What makes you think they are from Ireland
Edna
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I cant find the Helena birth now after trying many times so here are what I can find
What makes you think they are from Ireland
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I think they must both have Irish ancestry given their names...CULLEN and FITZGERALD...also that their children/children etc have been working the docks in Bristol and then later moving up to Liverpool docks again...jumping forward a generation - Maurice Abbott married Ellen Cullen and he was a dock worker...
just a maybe...only a 'maybe'
BH
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I cant find the Helena birth now after trying many times so here are what I can find
What makes you think they are from Ireland
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I think they must both have Irish ancestry given their names...CULLEN and FITZGERALD...also that their children/children etc have been working the docks in Bristol and then later moving up to Liverpool docks again...jumping forward a generation - Maurice Abbott married Ellen Cullen and he was a dock worker...
just a maybe...only a 'maybe'
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Whoops - I meant Maurice Williams...it was his daughter Florence who married an Abbott - Reginald Abbot and he was from Nottingham...
such a web...
BH
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did you find Stephen Cullen on 1841? It should say if he came from Ireland or not
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Name: Stephen Cullin
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: St James
Hundred: Bristol City
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: St James
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 372
Book: 6
Folio: 43
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Stephen Cullin 40 bootmaker
Ellen Cullin 40
both born Ireland
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did you find Stephen Cullen on 1841? It should say if he came from Ireland or notÌý
Hi JC
All i've got is Stephen Cullen b.1797 Ireland and his date of death as 1854 - so any help/pointers greatly appreciated...
thank you
BH
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Oh that's lovely JC - a bootmaker - perhaps explains my passion for shoes!
I think our posts landed at the same time BTW...Do you think 'Helena' is in fact the 'Ellen' you post here as their daughter was called Ellen...?
anything else?
BH
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Maria Anna Cullen
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 20 Jul 1832
christening: 29 Jul 1832 Clifton,​ Gloucester,​ England
residence: 1832 Clifton,​ Gloucester,​ England
parents: Stephami Cullen,​ Helenae Fitzgerald
Stephanus Cullen
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 17 Aug 1834
christening: 24 Aug 1834 Clifton,​ Gloucester,​ England
residence: 1834 Clifton,​ Gloucester,​ England
parents: Stephani Cullen,​ Helenae Fitzgerald
Maria Anna Cullen
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 19 Jul 1836
christening: 31 Jul 1836 Clifton,​ Gloucester,​ England
residence: 1836 Clifton,​ Gloucester,​ England
parents: Stephani Cullen,​ Helenae Fitzgerald
there looks like there are 2 entrys for Maria Anna Cullen in jul 1836, I think you need to see
the actual records. The first one may have been a private baptism
looks like they married in Ireland then came straight over to England
You do really need to know, their faith and parish they came from to find them in Ireland pre-civil registration
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no, that should be his wife, unless of course he had a daughter the same age as himself
I only found the 3 baptisms
when was daughter Ellen born? and were there any more children. it helps to narrow down a marriage date
I have loads of bootmakers in my tree... If ever I write a book on them its going to be called "A Load of Old Cobblers!" lol!
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That's a point - I really have no idea what religion they were - although knowing my family likely Protestants - although you never know really...how do I find that out?
Thanks JC
BH
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no, that should be his wife, unless of course he had a daughter the same age as himself
I only found the 3 baptisms
when was daughter Ellen born? and were there any more children. it helps to narrow down a marriage date
I have loads of bootmakers in my tree... If ever I write a book on them its going to be called "A Load of Old Cobblers!" lol!Ìý
creepy thought...(*$*)
Ellen was b.1849...I
lol - 'll write a chapter for you
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It would help to find out what church they baptised their children at...
As they were written in Latin, I'm guessing Catholic
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Yes that's a good point - Latin = Catholic
Any other ideas?
BH
fanx
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hmmm..
Name: Stephen Callen
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Cullen
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Liverpool
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1ff
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Piece: 2185
Folio: 590
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Stephen Callen 54 shoemaker born ireland
Ellen Cullen 34 born bristol!
Ellen Cullen 1 daughter
So Stephen's wife Ellen decreased her age by at least 10 years between 1841 and 1851 and changed birth location.
Seeing there were no children at home with them in 1841, I suspect little Ellen may be a grandaughter. Do you have her birth cert?
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hmmm..
Name: Stephen Callen
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Cullen
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Liverpool
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1ff
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Piece: 2185
Folio: 590
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Stephen Callen 54 shoemaker born ireland
Ellen Cullen 34 born bristol!
Ellen Cullen 1 daughter
So Stephen's wife Ellen decreased her age by at least 10 years between 1841 and 1851 and changed birth location.
Seeing there were no children at home with them in 1841, I suspect little Ellen may be a grandaughter. Do you have her birth cert?
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I think the age is correct...there was a bit of a gap between Stephen and Helena...
Actually I think baby Ellen was born in Liverpool - i will check again - no I don't have a cert....still trawling another line of the family - it will be a while before I get around to getting this line certs!
Although - again - knowing my female line - they were very creative with their ages - must have been great moisturisers back in the day!
Must dash...back later...
thank you everyone
BH
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have you checked out either of these deaths?
Name: Ellen Cullen
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1851
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 268 (
Name: Ellen Cullen
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1853
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 113
you can dismiss the one in 1858, she was age 2
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This is a very helpful site which has Catholic BMDs though still in its infancy but one to put in your favourites for future reference
Edna
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This is a very helpful site which has Catholic BMDs though still in its infancy but one to put in your favourites for future reference
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Thanks Edna - I will have a look later...
BH
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, in reply to message 21.
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Friday, 4th November 2011
This might be of interest (all the entries appear to have mother listed by maiden name)
Name: Ellen Cullen
Birth Date: 10 Nov 1849
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1849
Parish: St Joseph´s
Father's Name: Stephen Cullen
Mother's Name: Ellen Fitzgerald
godparents James & Elizabeth Fitzpatrick
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Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Friday, 4th November 2011
Forgot to say that was in Liverpool
Then this
Name: Mary Cullen
Birth Date: 14 Jul 1853
Baptism Date: 7 Aug 1853
Parish: St Francis Xavier´s (Francisci Xavarii)
Father's Name: Stephen Cullen
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ellen Fitzgerald [image says Cullen Fitzgerald)
Place of abode Dalton st, godparents Thomas Grady of Cable St and Mary McGrade of Dalton St
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, in reply to message 23.
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Friday, 4th November 2011
1871 back in Bristol?
Name: Mary Cullen
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Clifton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 3
Piece: 2543
Folio: 50
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 50
Emily Smith 46
Eliza Amelia Smith 76
Emily Isabel Smith 22
Fanny Louisa Smith 20
William Alex Smith 18
Caroline Mary Smith 16
George Munroe Smith 14
Amelia Matilda M Smith 12
Martha Cath Smith 10
Janet Margretta Smith 7
Sybil Maynard Smith 4
Margaret Marjory Jankins 30
Mary Cullen 19
Hannah Davis 24
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1871 back in Bristol?
Name: Mary Cullen
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Clifton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 3
Piece: 2543
Folio: 50
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 50
Emily Smith 46
Eliza Amelia Smith 76
Emily Isabel Smith 22
Fanny Louisa Smith 20
William Alex Smith 18
Caroline Mary Smith 16
George Munroe Smith 14
Amelia Matilda M Smith 12
Martha Cath Smith 10
Janet Margretta Smith 7
Sybil Maynard Smith 4
Margaret Marjory Jankins 30
Mary Cullen 19
Hannah Davis 24 Ìý
Thank you for this Mabel B - I think Mary Cullen must be Ellen's sister? Another branch of the tree to explore!
thank you
BH
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, in reply to message 25.
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Friday, 4th November 2011
< I think Mary Cullen must be Ellen's sister? >
I think so too, given the baptism I posted. Mary goes on to marry George Totterdell - have we done them before as a version of his surname came up in my search box when I started typing it in ?
1901
Name: Mary Totterdell
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Totterdell
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Redcliffe St Mary
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: St Mary Redcliff
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Piece: 2376
Folio: 43
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
George Totterdell 47
Mary Totterdell 48
Elizabeth M Totterdell 21
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, in reply to message 26.
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Friday, 4th November 2011
Can't see Ellen or Mary obviously on 1861 - what confuses me is the baptisms are clear that Ellen/Elizabeth Elln Fitzgerald is their mother, but if she was wife 1 b c1801 b Ireland as per the 1841 census she can't be the younger wife b Bristol on 1851, presumably mother of Mary
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Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Saturday, 5th November 2011
Can't see Ellen or Mary obviously on 1861 - what confuses me is the baptisms are clear that Ellen/Elizabeth Elln Fitzgerald is their mother, but if she was wife 1 b c1801 b Ireland as per the 1841 census she can't be the younger wife b Bristol on 1851, presumably mother of Mary Ìý
HI MB...
I just searched the boards and saw this:
Maybe another hunter is searching a branch of the same family?
This search is going off wide now and I will have to get all the info together and do some more sleuthing...
thanks for your interest in this...
me too am a bit confused - seems like their life journey took them backwards and forwards between Bristol and Liverpool?
BH
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me too am a bit confused - seems like their life journey took them backwards and forwards between Bristol and Liverpool?
BH
Could the fact that both places were great Sea Ports and some of my family who were mariners/engineers ventured between the two ports also.
I also have family between whitehaven and liverpool also two sea ports so possibly someone in the family worked on a ship perhaps a ships carpenter who would repair wooden structures
Just a thought
Edna
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Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Saturday, 5th November 2011
Quote
me too am a bit confused - seems like their life journey took them backwards and forwards between Bristol and Liverpool?
BH
Could the fact that both places were great Sea Ports and some of my family who were mariners/engineers ventured between the two ports also.
I also have family between whitehaven and liverpool also two sea ports so possibly someone in the family worked on a ship perhaps a ships carpenter who would repair wooden structures
Just a thought
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You're right Edna...a lot of my family lived next to the sea/ports and docks and worked on them too... I have been passionate about industrial ports for most of my life and remember Liverpool docks very well as a young girl - many of the males in my family were/are great travelers too and some were merchant seaman...my grandfather a dockworker as was my grandmothers family involved with ships. In those good old days Liverpool was a very busy place very vibrant...
oh happy days
BH
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