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  Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Saturday, 29th October 2011

  My Great grandfather was Samuel George Turner and he was a driver for a Gypsy Ball in Stoke on Trent, the Bicknal area, in the 19th century. Anyone know anything about Gypsy Ball and his business?
  Bessie

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  Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Saturday, 29th October 2011

  I presume that "Gypsy" is a nickname and the actual company is Ball. I put gypsy ball into my search engine but nothing of any use came up. There are too many people with the surname Ball in the Stoke on Trent area but none actually named Gypsy Ball on fmp.

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  There is this in 1911
  
  TURNER, Samuel Head Married M 38 1873 Coachman Domestic Hanley Staffordshire
  TURNER, Sarah Elizabeth Wife Married
  17 years F 45 1866 Housewife Issington Derbyshire
  TURNER, Sarah Annie Daughter Single F 16 1895 Lithorapher Leek Staffordshire
  TURNER, Samuel George Son M 13 1898 School Hanley Staffordshire
  TURNER, Doris Ethel Daughter F 9 1902 School Hanley Staffordshire
  TURNER, Marian Daughter F 7 1904 School Hanley Staffordshire
  HARDY, Lizzie Niece Single F 19 1892 Lithographer Idregay Derbyshire
  
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  RG number:
  RG14 Piece:
  16610 Reference:
  RG14PN16610 RG78PN1026 RD361 SD5 ED2 SN212
  
  Registration District:
  Stoke upon Trent Sub District:
  Stoke Rural Enumeration District:
  2 Parish:
  Stoke Rural
  
  Address:
  235 Werrington Road Bucknall Stoke on Trent County:
  Staffordshire
  
  He is working for an Auctioneer. I can't seem to find him in 1901 but in 1881 and 1891 he with his father Samuel b 1838 Hanley, also a coachman mother is Sarah too
  
  In 1911 there is a John Henry Ball :
  
  BALL, John Henry Head Married M 52 1859 Auctioner And Dealer Furniture London Forest Gate
  BALL, Emily Wife Married
  34 years F 55 1856 Hertford Baldac
  FRANCIS, Maud Servant Single F 20 1891 Generial Servant Domestic Lancashire Manchester
  ELELLY, Mary Nurse Married F 58 1853 Lick Attendant Staff Hanley
  
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  RG number:
  RG14 Piece:
  16609 Reference:
  RG14PN16609 RG78PN1026 RD361 SD5 ED1 SN109
  
  Registration District:
  Stoke upon Trent Sub District:
  Stoke Rural Enumeration District:
  1 Parish:
  Stoke Rural
  
  Address:
  West View Bucknall Stoke on Trent County:
  Staffordshire
  
  
  Earlier censuses indicate that there is a son Adolphus born 1882 London, but Johns younger children Tilly 1884 and Cornelius 1885, were born Hanley so they moved between 1881 and 1884 . Adolphus is also there in 1911 in Hanley as asst Auctioneer with his new family.
  
  If this is your family, I am sure people will be able to dredge up more.
  
  Jo

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  Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  All I know is that "Gypsy" Ball was an Auctioneer and Antique dealer.. He lived in Bucknal but his business was in Hanley, Stoke On Trent. I am interested in his history.
  Bessie

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  Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  Thanks so much for youur information. My family is the Turners but as Great Grand father worked for "Gypsy Ball" I was interested in him. You have helped me a lot.
  Bessie

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  Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  Here's the younger Samuel on 1901 - he's a groom
  
  Name: Saml Turner
  Age: 28
  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
  Relation: Head
  Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Turner
  Gender: Male
  Where born: Hanley
  
  Civil parish: Hanley
  Ecclesiastical parish: Hanley St Luke
  County/Island: Staffordshire
  Country: England
  
  Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
  Sub-registration district: Hanley
  ED, institution, or vessel: 9
  Neighbors: View others on page
  Household schedule number: 126
  Piece: 2600
  Folio: 46
  Page Number: 27
  Household Members:
  Name Age
  Saml Turner 28
  Elizabeth Turner 34
  Sarah A Turner 6
  Geo Turner 3
  Doris E Turner 6 Months

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  Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  Thanks Mabel. May I ask which Ancestry you found this on? It is much more detailed than Ancestry.co.uk.
  Bessie

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  Can you confirm that the Samuel George in Message 3, your Gt Grandfather? If so then people may be able to track some information on the John Henry Ball. He is the only Ball that I could fine who was an auctioneer.
  
  As 'Gypsy' was a nickname, you may be able to glean some information using his real name rather than a nickname.
  
  Jo

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  Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  Actually, he is my husband's great Grandfather and it is the "Gypsy" Ball you have found because my husband remembers a little from his father. I am doing his family history but he is not really interested!!!!!
  Bessie

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