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Arthur Brooks b.1878 Whaley Bridge, Derbyshire

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  Posted by gnatalee (U1758936) on Saturday, 29th October 2011

  A story told to me by my grandmother was that before WWII her mother received a letter from "Uncle........" who was living in America telling her that the family had all better move over to America because Hitler was going to win the war !! Word is that she cut-off all contact with him in disgust.
  
  Over the years I have tried to track down who this person was and, at the moment, I am concentrating on Arthur Brooks, b. 1878 in Whaley Bridge, Derbyshire. He was her husband's half-brother.
  
  I have looked on Any on the American 1930 census but don't have a sub to look at the details. Could I ask if sks with a sub could have a look for me. I see there are 10 Arthur Brooks of that d.o.b but, of couse, he may not be any of them !!
  
  I believe he must've returned to England at sometime as I think I have tracked down his death in Derbyshire.
  
  Gnats

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  Posted by Windsurfing_Widow (U14179138) on Saturday, 29th October 2011

  I can see 11 Arthur Brooks born between 1877 and 1879 on 1930 USA census but only one of them born in England. He is Arthur J Brooks, living in Atlas, Genesee, Michigan, aged 53, single, a farm labourer, immigrated to USA in 1895.

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  Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Saturday, 29th October 2011

  That one on the US census may not be him as he appears to be here in 1911
  
  Name: Arthur Brooks
  Event: Census
  Event Date: 1911
  Gender: Male
  Age: 33
  Birthplace: Whaley Bridge, Cheshire
  Record Type: Household
  Registration District: Chapel En Le Frith
  Sub-district: Chapel En Le Frith
  Parish: Chapel En Le Frith
  County: Derbyshire

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  Posted by gnatalee (U1758936) on Saturday, 29th October 2011

  Hi W-W and Mabel
  
  Thanks for looking - the Arthur Brooks you found on the US Census is not the right one. I believe he would not have left England until after 1913, when his father died (who I think was living with Arthur and his wife at the time).
  
  Mabel, the Arthur you have on the 1911 is the correct one - that is the latest information I have on him. I have tried looking on passenger lists but the name is not uncommon. From what my Grandmother told me, the letter which was written to her mother caused quite a commotion !
  
  Thank you for taking the time to look.
  
  Gnats

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Saturday, 29th October 2011

  I don't quite understand when you say there is nothing else on Arthur Brooks... you have him on 1911, then a likely death in England.
  
  He may not have married so there wouldn't be much else online ater 1911.
  
  Is it likely a half brother writing to his sister-in-law and not his brother?
  
  
  Is there anyone else in the frame?

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  Posted by gnatalee (U1758936) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  I don't quite understand when you say there is nothing else on Arthur Brooks... you have him on 1911, then a likely death in England.
  
  He may not have married so there wouldn't be much else online ater 1911.
  
  Is it likely a half brother writing to his sister-in-law and not his brother?
  
  
  Is there anyone else in the frame?Β  JC - I apologise, I didn't intend to imply that the half-brother had written the letter solely to his sister-in-law - I would've thought it would have been to the family - its just that she was the one who took exception to its contents.
  
  On the 1911 AB is already married (8 years) to Ann. His father is living with them but dies a couple of years later (I wondered if this was the time which prompted them to move, if it is them). There don't appear to be any children.
  
  I know nothing more about him AFTER the 1911 other than having found his death in Chinley, Derbyhire in 1952 (nothing in between). I don't remember him being talked about by my Gran.
  
  It may well be that this isn't the man who sent the letter. I know it wasn't the g.grandmother's brother as he was still living in the area and spoken about often.
  
  Its a little difficult to convey when trying to unravel "stories".
  
  Thanks for input anyway.
  
  Gnats

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  I couldn't see a return passage for him or an entry into the us.
  

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  Posted by gnatalee (U1758936) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  Thanks - I'll have to have another look and see what other possibilities there might be.
  
  Gnats
  

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  If he was born 22 aug 1878, I think I might have found him
  
  There is a ww1 draft registration card for him on ancestry. Wife, Anne, living at Rochelle Park, Bergen, New Jersey. Worked as an operator for British American Chemical co. The card is dated 12 sept 1918

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  ok, so the above Arthur Brooks arrived:
  
  Name: Arthur Brooks
  Arrival Date: 6 Jun 1913
  Birth Year: abt 1879
  Age: 34
  Gender: Male
  Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
  Port of Arrival: New York, New York
  Ship Name: Mauretania
  
  according to the passenger list his wife anna was age 38
  children
  Margaret 6
  Donald W 1
  Philip 2
  heading for Rochelle Park New Jersey
  
  says the husband had been naturalised in 1908
  
  sounds like they travelled a bit and there is probably more crossings

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  this is possibly him arriving back in New York again
  Name: Arthur Brooks
  Arrival Date: 4 May 1911
  Birth Year: abt 1879
  Age: 32
  Gender: Male
  Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
  Port of Arrival: New York, New York
  Ship Name: Caronia
  
  
  says he is married and a US ciitizen, which he would be if he was naturalized in 1909. Occupation is down as a Dyer. no address given

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  1930
  rochell Park NJ
  Anne Brooks 54 widowed says arrived in USA 1904, nationality Serbian?
  Margaret Brooks 23
  Donald Brooks 20
  Arthur P Brooks 18
  all children born New Jersey
  
  1920
  Mildand Park, Bergen, NJ
  Anne Brooks 44 widowed
  Margaret Brooks 13
  Donald W Brooks 10
  Arthur P Brooks 8
  arrived USA 1904, naturalised 1906
  rather strangely, Ann doesn't have an occupation, no one works in the household!
  
  maybe arthur abandoned his family in america and came back to England

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  Posted by gnatalee (U1758936) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  JC - that looks very promising, the only thing is that on the 1911 they have been married 8 years and have no children. Ann was three years older than him, and he was working in the local bleachworks - which makes the occupation of "dyer" interesting - hmmmmm.
  
  Thank you.
  
  Gnats
  
  
  

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  Thanks Gnats, I can't see the 1911 census to find out his occupation
  
  it certainly looks like the right family, perhaps they adopted the Margaret and had Philip and Donald in America
  
  Can't see why she says she was born Serbia? Is there a marriage in England for Arthur?

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  1910 US census
  Name: Arthur Brooks
  Age in 1910: 31
  Estimated Birth Year: 1879
  Birthplace: England
  Relation to Head of House: Head
  Father's Birth Place: England
  Mother's Birth Place: England
  Spouse's Name: Anne Brooks
  Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ in 1910: Midland, Bergen, New Jersey
  Marital Status: Married
  Race: White
  Gender: Male
  Year of immigration: 1890
  Neighbors: View others on page
  Household Members: Name Age
  Arthur Brooks 31 Feather Dyer
  Anne Brooks 34
  Magret Brooks 3
  Donald W Brooks 10/12
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  Mary Warne 31 sister single born England
  
  do you think they left the children in america when they came back visiting in 1911 and easier to say they had no children than saying they left them in America
  
  says married 4 years, 3 children/ 2 living
  this census says Arthur went to USA 1890 and Ann came from Turkey
  
  following this family doesn't add up... it certainly looks like the right family but somethings are not quite right

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  Arthur isn't on the 1900 census so 1910 details are a little suspect

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  Posted by gnatalee (U1758936) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  JC - I agree that this family don't add-up, the names are good - Arthur Brooks married an Ann Hill who was also born in Whaley Bridge, but this makes the Serbian/Turkish connection wrong.
  
  Also, on the 1911 he is working in Whaley Bridge - unless he can't make his mind up whether to stay or go - perhaps came back 'cos his Dad was ageing?
  
  I was very hopeful when I saw him travelling alone (sorry Ann ! - lol) but I think I may have to start getting a couple of certs - mainly the death one to confirm that he did actually die here (if only check the notifier of death to confirm the link).
  
  Thanks for you help in this - it is making it very interesting.
  
  Gnats

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  there are a few trees on ancestry with this family but they have Arthur coming from Camberwell ?
  
  That might need checking out as I've found many of the american trees just picking any ancestor that looks like they might fit just because they have the same name

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  Ah... so he married an Anne HILL, so that definitely rules this family out then as son Donald's middle name is WARNE same as the unmarried sister staying with them in 1910.
  
  so close too!
  

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  Posted by gnatalee (U1758936) on Sunday, 30th October 2011

  Yes - so close, you were definitely on a roll there !!
  
  Thanks so much for your efforts - will have to have a re-think I think.
  
  Gnats

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