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Sarah Jane Lambert, Holbeach Lincs - baptism

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  Posted by Meggiesmum (U14595845) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  I wonder if any of you could do a parish records look up for me to see if the father's name is on the baptism record.
  
  I have Sarah's birth certifiacte and I am unsure of what the father's name is - surname is definitely Hill. Sarah was born on the 27th (I think) March 1847 in Holbeach Bank. Her mother is Modesty Ann Lambert.
  
  Father's name on Sarah's marraige certificate is Robert Lambert but I do know that soon after Sarah's birth, Modesty married a Robert Grimer and that sometimes Sarah uses the surname Lambert and sometimes Grimer (evidence on her children's birth certificates).
  
  It would be nice if I could find out Sarah's birth father. I think the name is Edward on the certificate but not sure. His occupation is listed as a labourer.
  
  In the 1851 census Modesty (sometimes using name Ann) and Sarah (sometimes using name Jane) is visiting a family called Tukes (?) in Gedney Dyke, Lincs. Next door at 131 are a family with the surname Hill, no Edwards though!
  
  Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you

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  Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  
  Nothing mentioned of father on her baptism 1850
  
  
  Edna
  
  
  England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for Sarah Jane Lambert
  Name: Sarah Jane Lambert
  Gender: Female
  Baptism/Christening Date: 12 Oct 1850
  Baptism/Christening Place: Holbeach, Lincoln, England
  Mother's Name: Anne Lambert
  Mother's Birthplace:
  Mother's Age:
  Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05284-1
  System Origin: England-EASy
  Source Film Number: 1542148
  Reference Number: yr 1826-1881 p 1
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  Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  I think if you have the Hill family as next door neighbours on the census then follow them back ten years to see who was living with them then and see if they have an Edward on the earlier census, no proof that he is the father though but will give you insight
  
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  Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  Just to confirm you have her birth certificate but can't read the fathers name clearly is that right?
  I think there is a place, someone will know the details, you can post a copy of it for people to decipher if that would help.

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  Posted by Meggiesmum (U14595845) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  Just to confirm you have her birth certificate but can't read the fathers name clearly is that right?
  I think there is a place, someone will know the details, you can post a copy of it for people to decipher if that would help. Β  Thats right - I have her birth certificate and her marriage certificate and I can't quite make out the father's name. Its definitely Hill and I'm almost certain its Edward - whatever it says its the same forename as the forename of the registrar!
  
  I need to scan it into the computer and if someone has those details I can of course post it on there to see if anyone can decipher it.

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  Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  The site is rootschat dot com and they have a deciphering and recognition thread, you can just scan the cert and crop the bit you want read and add it there alraedy cropped so people can help decipher the writing but we are not allowed to post the link to it so you can follow the words I wrote add the www dot.
  
  That is assuming you have a scanner if not then you cant do it.
  
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  Posted by Meggiesmum (U14595845) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  I've found her baptism record in the Holbeach parish regiister and all it says is
  
  Sarah Jane Lambert, illegitimate and no mention of a father.
  
  Guess i suspected this was the case but there was always hope that his name might be on there!

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  Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  Births Mar 1847 (>99%)
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  Hill Sarah Jane Lambert Holbeach 14 244
  HILL Sarah Jane Lambert Holbeach 14 444
  
  Confirmation of the birth with Hill as the surname. You could try posting it where Edna says just for your own confirmation it is Edward (or otherwise)
  It won't help with who he was but then you would have a definite name to look for. Let us know how you go.

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  Posted by Meggiesmum (U14595845) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  OK thanks - already a member of that site so will give it a try.
  
  

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  Posted by Meggiesmum (U14595845) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  Bizarrely I must have asked this question before because I've just been searching through loads of paperwork and came across a printout from that website whereby I'd pasted the name from Sarah's birth certificate way back in 2007!
  
  Anyway the general consensus was that the name was Edward.
  
  So now to look for an Edward Hill but apart from the fact that he was a labourer I know nothing else about him.
  
  I don't think this one is going to be as easy as it was in finding the father of my other illegitimate great great grandmother!!!
  
  I don't even know if he was Lincolnshire born, a Lincolnshire resident or what.
  
  Needle in a haystack springs to mind!

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  Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  I would go with the family from the census that you saw and check them in the 1841 census to see if an Edward is with them or look for their marriage from the census info and see what children the had.
  
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  Posted by Meggiesmum (U14595845) on Wednesday, 26th October 2011

  Just wondering and wanting to double check something that I found out when I was trying to find the father of another great great grandmother.
  
  In those days did a father have to be present at registration to have his name put on the birth certificate?
  
  My other illelitimate gr gr grandmother ended up having her father's name listed as a middle name as a way of getting his name on the certificate.
  
  

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  Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Thursday, 27th October 2011

  
  In those days did a father have to be present at registration to have his name put on the birth certificate?Β 
  
  Yes, he did.

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  Posted by Meggiesmum (U14595845) on Monday, 31st October 2011

  Been away for a few days so only just got back to this....
  
  I thought that a father did have to be present at registering the birth to be on the certificate - at least that tells me that Edward Hill was a real person and not just a 'name' Modesty put on the certificate to make Sarah seem more respectable!!!
  
  Anyway been doing a bit of looking and in 1841 LUKE Hill (the neighbour of where Modesty and daughter were visiting) is living with ANN Hill(64) - his mother I assume; and MARK Hill (20) - his brother?
  
  According to the census return for 1851 Luke was born in Tydd Gote - think that just falls in Cambridgeshire although it could be Lincolnshire (the border cuts through the village so could be either!) Must have been born around 1815 or there abouts.
  
  I found a marraige for Luke to a MARY WILLIAMSON (widow) on 21st September 1842. His father is listed as JOSEPH Hill.
  
  I then found a death for Luke in December 1856.
  
  So no clues there then.
  
  Now going to search for a marriage for ANN and JOSEPH Hill and then try and find out whether they had anymore children other than Luke and Mark on the IGI.

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