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Message 1.Â
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Hi,
I feel awful asking for help again but I am stuck again. Does anyone know how to find the census results for 1851, 1861 and 1871 by address? I have tried FMO and Ancestry without any luck finding Comus St and Thomas St Liverpool.
I am looking for a Matthew Devan, Daven or Davan. On his son Patrick's marriage certificate in 1865 his name is Matthew Davan, occupation soldier. The address on the marriage cert is Thomas Street Liverpool. I have found a burial record for 1856 for Matthew Daven of Comus Street and this may or may not be the same Matthew or a relative. Either way I cannot find a Matthew Davan etc either in the Ancestry military records or their census records so was going to browse the street entries for anything remotely similar.
jack -
Message 2
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Jack
If you find a census with a Liverpool address for any of those years then above the census details there should be an enumeration district number district 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and so on and if you click on each one it will give the route that the Enumerator walked, I dont have a sub now but I used to use a popular name like smith/Jones just to get into the enumerator pages of the Liverpool area, it helps if you know the Ecclesiastical parish the street was in.
Not sure if this will help as I have no way to check it out
Edna -
Message 3
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Edna,
thanks I found a Merseyside genuki website using google that provided RG number ecclestiastical parish etc but I must have been doing something wrong because I should have got Comus St and got Circus St instead. I'll just keep trying.
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Message 4
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Map for Comus Street but nothing for Thomas Street, there is a Sir Thomas Street in the center
Edna -
Message 5
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Hi Edna,
the handwriting was very difficult to read. I had to look at a map to decipher the burial record as Comus St. The marriage certificate is written Thomas not St Thomas and according to the genuki site there was a Thomas St and Courts in 1861. I guess the street was demolished between then and a later date.
I'll try St Thomas as well though, in case
Jack -
Message 6
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
I have had a good look around this map and found Comus Street but cant find Thomas Street only Sir Thomas Street
Edna -
Message 7
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
The Matthew Daven who dies in 1856 was 22 yrs old so I think he was too young to be Patrick's father. A sibling may be?
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Message 8
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Hi Mabel,
yes I saw that and so thought he might be a relative hence wanting to see teh rest of his household if possible. I think this might be a dead end as the father might be with his regiment even though I can't find a relevant entry on archives or ancestry.
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Message 9
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
I have addressed searched and found Thomas Street, Liverpool in 1851 but no Bevan/Bavans Iisted in the 65 houses.
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Message 10
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Thnaks Bertie but the name was Davan, The son was Patrick Davan at marriage in 1865, Devon on 1871 census and Devine on the 1881 census. I've searched under every variation I can think of. There are a couple of Irish birth records in Meath but I need further evidence to accept them as being this family. Additionally, on the 1911 census the son says he is from West of Ireland.
Thanks for looking
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Message 11
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Hi,
I feel awful asking for help again but I am stuck again. Does anyone know how to find the census results for 1851, 1861 and 1871 by address? I have tried FMO and Ancestry without any luck finding Comus St and Thomas St Liverpool.
I am looking for a Matthew Devan, Daven or Davan. On his son Patrick's marriage certificate in 1865 his name is Matthew Davan, occupation soldier. The address on the marriage cert is Thomas Street Liverpool. I have found a burial record for 1856 for Matthew Daven of Comus Street and this may or may not be the same Matthew or a relative. Either way I cannot find a Matthew Davan etc either in the Ancestry military records or their census records so was going to browse the street entries for anything remotely similar.
Âá²¹³¦°ìÌý Try these links - I think I have heard my grandmother mention Thomas st. Liverpool (L21?) when i was a little girl. i think though many of the old back to back terraces and those old slums that were down by the docks have been demolished...
In the London gazette dated 1851 - Thomas street Liverpool is mentioned:
So it seems it is a legitimate place
re: Matthew 'Davan' - I think - given this is Liverpool we are looking at and the fact many Irish people came there - I would look at the name 'DEVINE'
Here are some links:
good luck
BH
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Message 12
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Hi BH,
it could have gone for many reasons, slum clearance particularly. Thanks for the list from famsearch i'll work through them. The son's census returns say he was born in Ireland which places Matthew coming to England anytime after 1845 I'm also guessing the marriage was in Ireland prior to 1847 which reduces the list a bit.
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Message 13
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Hi BH,
it could have gone for many reasons, slum clearance particularly. Thanks for the list from famsearch i'll work through them. The son's census returns say he was born in Ireland which places Matthew coming to England anytime after 1845 I'm also guessing the marriage was in Ireland prior to 1847 which reduces the list a bit.
´³²¹³¦°ìÌý Hi Jack,
Do you think his name is DEVINE then? I think more likely the other versions of the name suggest that an Irish accent could have sounded like 'Davan or Daven'...
I'll have another look:
Just had another look and spotted this:
Mathew Daven
England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
birth: 1834
burial: 07 Sep 1856 Liverpool,​ Lancashire,​ England
name: Mathew Daven
gender: Male
burial date: 07 Sep 1856
burial place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
age: 22
birth date: 1834
indexing project (batch) number: B03729-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number:BH -
Message 14
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Monday, 24th October 2011
That is probably Patricks brother , as mentioned in message 7 . i
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Message 15
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Hi BH,
Matthew would be my gt gt gt grandfather, though I'm not a Devine myself my mother was.
I found the burial record but given Patrick thinks he was born about 1848 according to the census returns, that Matthew seems a bit young. There is always the probability of a couple of years error. It's why I was also looking for Comus Street as I think that is the address for the burial. It might be a case of tracing the death certificate to see what else it says.
The one thing I had to go on was my own grandfather saying his granddad was a young boy when he came from Ireland with his father and that he had someting to do with the Connaught Rangers. That could be true as Matthew was a soldier according to Patrick's marriage certificate.
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Message 16
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Our messages have crossed brother probably as the marriage certificate didn't mention father was deceased. They could have arrived after 1851 so would not appear on the census until 1861.
Jack -
Message 17
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Hi,
I feel awful asking for help again but I am stuck again. Does anyone know how to find the census results for 1851, 1861 and 1871 by address? I have tried FMO and Ancestry without any luck finding Comus St and Thomas St Liverpool.
I am looking for a Matthew Devan, Daven or Davan. On his son Patrick's marriage certificate in 1865 his name is Matthew Davan, occupation soldier. The address on the marriage cert is Thomas Street Liverpool. I have found a burial record for 1856 for Matthew Daven of Comus Street and this may or may not be the same Matthew or a relative. Either way I cannot find a Matthew Davan etc either in the Ancestry military records or their census records so was going to browse the street entries for anything remotely similar.
Âá²¹³¦°ìÌý re: THOMAS STREET - LIVERPOOL
Also says on this page that Thomas street was in Garston (on the road to Speke or John Lennon airport)
and this link:
BH -
Message 18
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Comus street Liverpool L3
Looks like a great deal of Comus street has been demolished. I remember during the 1960's in Liverpool wondering about these rubble sites and not realizing that there had been a war and that many of the old houses had been demolished because they were slums...Also that very often the only building standing would often be a pub - many of them still standing now with new housing built around it...
Thomas street Freemasons Lodge
This is an interesting site:
Sectarian violence:
random link:
Liverpool street index 1800's
Sad story mass graves of the Irish
this will keep you busy!
BH -
Message 19
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Monday, 24th October 2011
re: The Connaught Rangers:
Crimea: CR's
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Message 20
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Monday, 24th October 2011
HI again Jack,
Apologies for overloading you with Liverpool links that aren't directly related to your search but from my research I have found that by understanding the socio/political context our ancestors lived/worked etc I can better understand what they may have had to endure.
Here is some info' on Irish immigration:
This might explain a few things about your Irish ancestors:
In 1845 a terrible potato fungus spread across Ireland wiping out the potato crops that formed the bulk of the Irish people’s diet. The results were so devastating that even today the population level of Ireland has never recovered – so many people died or emigrated.
Many of the Irish that left headed for Liverpool where they formed a huge community in the Everton and Kirkdale areas. In the space of a few years the population of Liverpool doubled as a result. It is the influence of the Irish people (and the people who arrived from North Wales) that gives Liverpool the ‘scouse’ accent it has today. Many of our sayings and customs today are a result of this Irish Influence.
Free passage to UK:
FYI - I only recently discovered that on my grandmothers maternal line/paternal lines we came from somewhere in Ireland too - I am saving that bit of research for a rainy day!
for now...just Shropshire Booth Hunting -
Message 21
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Hi BH
I've not been ignoring you, I've been out doing errands.
All my side are Liverpool Irish the Devines being the easiest to trace because I knew more about them, than my Father's family.
I was born in Anfield, Windermere St, last time I went past the street was no longer standing. I too remember the bommies from the sixties, getting the bus from the Rotunda when I visited my grandparents,and playing in the concrete playgrounds near Portland Gardenssome other tenement flats.
Thank you for all the links I'm certain they'll be very helpful as I have only been at this a couple of weeks,
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Message 22
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Hi BH
I've not been ignoring you, I've been out doing errands.
All my side are Liverpool Irish the Devines being the easiest to trace because I knew more about them, than my Father's family.
I was born in Anfield, Windermere St, last time I went past the street was no longer standing. I too remember the bommies from the sixties, getting the bus from the Rotunda when I visited my grandparents,and playing in the concrete playgrounds near Portland Gardenssome other tenement flats.
Thank you for all the links I'm certain they'll be very helpful as I have only been at this a couple of weeks,
´³²¹³¦°ìÌý Hi Jack - you're very welcome - this family research is such an addictive hobby - careful - you won't have time for errands if you get really hooked!
My great grandmother lived in Aigburth Vale, then she lived in one of those prefabs for a while (i think they were bombed out) and I remember my mum mentioning Lander rd? Then gran bought a 'posh' new house in Litherland in the late 50's...so fond memories of Liverpool...the docks especially have given me a lifetime passion for working docks/city ports - not so strange when I find out that great grandmother was on the Queen Mary maiden voyage from Liverpool to New York traveling alone in her late 70's! I wish the ports would offer up some basic trips I would certainly go for it(cruises seem a bit ummm well awful really (apologies if I upset anyone - just the idea of having quiet time to read and watch the sea is enough for me)
Good luck with your search - come back and let us know how you get on!
BH
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Message 23
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Thanks BH good luck with your
Jack -
Message 24
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Monday, 24th October 2011
I am another Liverpudlian born Kirkdale just on the border of Bootle and Docks and know Litherland very well too, ther is a website for Litherland too lots of memories there and nice pics too.
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Message 25
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Monday, 24th October 2011
I am another Liverpudlian born Kirkdale just on the border of Bootle and Docks and know Litherland very well too, ther is a website for Litherland too lots of memories there and nice pics too.
·¡»å²Ô²¹Ìý Thanks Edna...seems like we all have a toe in the North West!
I will send the Litherland link to mum - my gran died this year sadly...
BH -
Message 26
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Helo Edna,
I still have cousins off Boundary St.
Hello BH I found your link on sectarianism interesting my Grandmother used to tell of waiting for the Lodges thankfully those days are gone in Liverpool except on Derby days.
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Message 27
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Jack my Mother was from the area around Boundary Street and went to Daisy Street School, I went to Lambeth Road School in the same area 1960s
Glad you like the Litherland site BH there is also one for Bootle called Bootle History.co.uk
Sorry for using your thread for chat
Edna -
Message 28
Posted by jack (U14987471) on Monday, 24th October 2011
No problem Edna. I was baptised at St Gerard's even though we never lived there. the Church is gone now.
Jack
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