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Mary Ann Clare nee Dickinson

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  Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  This is my husbands Gt Grandmother & on her marriage to Philip Geoffrey Clare
  20.8.1850 @ the Cathedral Parish Church Manchester her father is named as John Dickinson - Tailor.
  I found the Dickinson family on the 1841c/H0107 569 11f @ 36-Bootle St,Brown Square Manchester.Philip Clare's father James was also a Tailor by trade living & working in Bootle St.Manchester.Presumably that is how they met.
  However,I am having trouble finding where John Dickinson was born/married.
  According to the 1841census his wife was called Ann & at that time they had 4 children.William 15,Mary 11,Lucy 7 & Edmund 1.
  I don't know where Ann came from or her nee name.
  Can anyone help me with this please.

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  Posted by vron (U7555028) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  i can see two of the childrens baptisms but not the others
  
  Baptisms: 16 Apr 1837 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
  Lucy Dickinson - Daughter of John Dickinson & Ann
  Abode: Manchr
  Occupation: Tailor
  Baptised by: W. W. Johnson
  Register: Baptisms 1837, Page 285, Entry 2278
  Source: LDS Film 1545611
  
  Baptisms: 14 May 1837 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
  Mary Ann Dickinson - Daughter of John Dickinson & Ann
  Born: 1 Apr 1830
  Abode: Manchr
  Occupation: Tailor
  Baptised by: H. Fielding
  Register: Baptisms 1837, Page 341, Entry 2728
  Source: LDS Film 1545611
  
  they give no clue to ann's maiden name unfortunately

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  Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  Birth certificate for Edmund would give mothers maiden name as he is post 1837 but I can't find his birth only a possible death as can't find him in 1851.
  
  Deaths Mar 1845 (>99%)
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  DICKINSON Edmund Manchester 20 650
  

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  Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  How old was she when she got married in 1850? Her parents are down as 30 and 35 in 1841 with a 15 year old son and presumably Mary Ann was older and had left home by then? I know they wobbled the ages around but still doesn't seem right to me.
  Maths is not my strong point so apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

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  Posted by vron (U7555028) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  in the 1851 johns birth is given as approx 1804 lancaster so poss???
  
  
  Baptisms: 29 Jul 1804 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
  John Dickinson - Son of John Dickinson & Dorothy
  Born: 24 Jun 1804
  Abode: Lancr.
  Register: Baptisms 1786 - 1810, Page 24, Entry 796
  Source: LDS Film 1526146
  
  

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  Posted by vron (U7555028) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  edward not edmund?
  
  name: Edward Dickinson
  gender: Male
  baptism/christening date: 21 Jun 1840
  baptism/christening place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
  father's name: John Dickinson
  mother's name: Ann Dickinson
  indexing project (batch) number: I07163-3
  system origin: England-EASy
  source film number: 1545613
  
  or a late baptism
  
  name: Edmund Dickinson
  gender: Male
  baptism/christening date: 02 Feb 1845
  baptism/christening place: CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
  father's name: John Dickinson
  mother's name: Ann
  indexing project (batch) number: C07354-1
  system origin: England-ODM
  source film number: 438176
  
  

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  Posted by vron (U7555028) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  parents: John Dickenson,​ Ann Dickenson
  
  name: William Dickenson
  gender: Male
  baptism/christening date: 03 Aug 1823
  baptism/christening place: Manchester Church, Lancashire, England
  father's name: John Dickenson
  mother's name: Ann Dickenson
  indexing project (batch) number: I02603-6
  system origin: England-EASy
  source film number: 1545583
  
  or
  
  parents: John Dickinson,​ Ann Dickinson
  
  
  name: William James Dickinson
  gender: Male
  baptism/christening date: 11 Sep 1833
  baptism/christening place: Collegiate Church, Manchester, Lancashire, England
  father's name: John Dickinson
  mother's name: Ann Dickinson
  indexing project (batch) number: I02602-0
  system origin: England-EASy
  source film number: 1545569
  
  
  couple of john - ann marriages
  
  groom's name: John Dickenson
  bride's name: Ann Holland
  marriage date: 21 Mar 1820
  marriage place: Manchester, Lancaster, England
  indexing project (batch) number: M01622-5
  system origin: England-EASy
  source film number: 1545580
  
  groom's name: John Dickenson
  bride's name: Ann Watson
  marriage date: 08 Apr 1822
  marriage place: Collegiate Church Manchester, Lancashire, England
  indexing project (batch) number: I02848-2
  system origin: England-EASy
  source film number: 1545582
  
  groom's name: John Dickenson
  bride's name: Ann Whitnall
  marriage date: 30 Jan 1825
  marriage place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
  indexing project (batch) number: I02605-2
  system origin: England-EASy
  source film number: 1545585
  
  
  

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  Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  i can see two of the childrens baptisms but not the others
  
  Baptisms: 16 Apr 1837 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
  Lucy Dickinson - Daughter of John Dickinson & Ann
  Abode: Manchr
  Occupation: Tailor
  Baptised by: W. W. Johnson
  Register: Baptisms 1837, Page 285, Entry 2278
  Source: LDS Film 1545611
  
  Baptisms: 14 May 1837 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
  Mary Ann Dickinson - Daughter of John Dickinson & Ann
  Born: 1 Apr 1830
  Abode: Manchr
  Occupation: Tailor
  Baptised by: H. Fielding
  Register: Baptisms 1837, Page 341, Entry 2728
  Source: LDS Film 1545611
  
  they give no clue to ann's maiden name unfortunatelyΜύ This is great but I wonder why the 2 sisters were baptised a month apart from each other.

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  Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  How old was she when she got married in 1850? Her parents are down as 30 and 35 in 1841 with a 15 year old son and presumably Mary Ann was older and had left home by then? I know they wobbled the ages around but still doesn't seem right to me.
  Maths is not my strong point so apologies if I've got the wrong end of the stick.Μύ Mary Ann was 11yrs in the 1841c & when she married in 1850 the cert states that she was 21.

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  Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  in the 1851 johns birth is given as approx 1804 lancaster so poss???
  
  
  Baptisms: 29 Jul 1804 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
  John Dickinson - Son of John Dickinson & Dorothy
  Born: 24 Jun 1804
  Abode: Lancr.
  Register: Baptisms 1786 - 1810, Page 24, Entry 796
  Source: LDS Film 1526146
  
  Μύ This really does look possible.I hadn't seen the 1851c entry.I don't know why.

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  Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  parents: John Dickenson,​ Ann Dickenson
  
  name: William Dickenson
  gender: Male
  baptism/christening date: 03 Aug 1823
  baptism/christening place: Manchester Church, Lancashire, England
  father's name: John Dickenson
  mother's name: Ann Dickenson
  indexing project (batch) number: I02603-6
  system origin: England-EASy
  source film number: 1545583
  
  or
  
  parents: John Dickinson,​ Ann Dickinson
  
  
  name: William James Dickinson
  gender: Male
  baptism/christening date: 11 Sep 1833
  baptism/christening place: Collegiate Church, Manchester, Lancashire, England
  father's name: John Dickinson
  mother's name: Ann Dickinson
  indexing project (batch) number: I02602-0
  system origin: England-EASy
  source film number: 1545569
  
  
  couple of john - ann marriages
  
  groom's name: John Dickenson
  bride's name: Ann Holland
  marriage date: 21 Mar 1820
  marriage place: Manchester, Lancaster, England
  indexing project (batch) number: M01622-5
  system origin: England-EASy
  source film number: 1545580
  
  groom's name: John Dickenson
  bride's name: Ann Watson
  marriage date: 08 Apr 1822
  marriage place: Collegiate Church Manchester, Lancashire, England
  indexing project (batch) number: I02848-2
  system origin: England-EASy
  source film number: 1545582
  
  groom's name: John Dickenson
  bride's name: Ann Whitnall
  marriage date: 30 Jan 1825
  marriage place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
  indexing project (batch) number: I02605-2
  system origin: England-EASy
  source film number: 1545585
  
  
  Μύ Well trying to sort out which is which. Firstly our William is 15 on the 1841c so he would be born c.1826.That would rule out the William Dickenson bapt 1823.
  Allowing for the different name spelling in the 3 marriages you have found for John & Ann I would tend to think it would be the later of the 3 marriages.If it is possible that one of them is the correct one.
  Incidentally in my notes there was another child Emma b.c.1844 & I have also scribbled the name Hayes against the mothers name( although I am at a loss to know where that came from)

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  Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  in the 1851 johns birth is given as approx 1804 lancaster so poss???
  
  
  Baptisms: 29 Jul 1804 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
  John Dickinson - Son of John Dickinson & Dorothy
  Born: 24 Jun 1804
  Abode: Lancr.
  Register: Baptisms 1786 - 1810, Page 24, Entry 796
  Source: LDS Film 1526146
  
  Μύ Further to you finding the birth of John Dickinson in Lancaster 1804 with parents
  John & Dorothy Dickinson I have found the following in Lancashire Online Parish Clerk records.
  
  Edward Dickinson bapt 18.8.1799 St Mary's Lancaster parents John & Dorothy
  
  Mary Dickinson b.23.6.1806 bapt.20.7.1806 St Mary's Lancaster " " "
  
  2 siblings of John b.1804 with similar names he gave to 2 of his children
  
  I cannot find a marriage for John Dickinson & Dorothy ?
  
  

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  Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 19th October 2011

  This looks like the marriage
  
  Edna
  
  England Marriages, 1538–1973 for John Dickinson
  
  Search collectionAbout this collectionGroom's Name: John Dickinson
  Bride's Name: Dorothy Davidson
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  Marriage Date: 27 Aug 1798
  Marriage Place: Saint Mary,Lancaster,Lancashire,England
  Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00590-1
  System Origin: England-ODM
  Source Film Number: 94272
  Reference Number:
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  Posted by bettyespana (U14275744) on Thursday, 20th October 2011

  This looks like the marriage
  
  Edna
  
  England Marriages, 1538–1973 for John Dickinson
  
  Search collectionAbout this collectionGroom's Name: John Dickinson
  Bride's Name: Dorothy Davidson
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  Marriage Date: 27 Aug 1798
  Marriage Place: Saint Mary,Lancaster,Lancashire,England
  Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00590-1
  System Origin: England-ODM
  Source Film Number: 94272
  Reference Number:
  .Μύ Thank you Edna,
  
  You are a star.This is a huge help to me.
  
  Betty

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  Posted by vron (U7555028) on Friday, 21st October 2011

  going on the hayes you had scribboled down for emma
  
  Marriage: 16 Jun 1825 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
  John Dickinson - of This Parish
  Ann Hayes - of This Parish
  Witness: Hannah Dickinson; James Hayes
  Married by Banns by: Robert Atherton Rawstorne Rector
  Register: Marriages 1824 - 1833, Page 78, Entry 234
  Source: LDS Film 1562961
  
  

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  Posted by vron (U7555028) on Friday, 21st October 2011

  Baptisms: 19 Dec 1802 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
  Ann Hayes - Daur of James Hayes & Mary
  Occupation: Weaver
  Register: Baptisms 1781 - 1812, Page 241, Entry 8275
  Source: LDS Film 1562957
  
  

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  Posted by vron (U7555028) on Friday, 21st October 2011

  siblings of ann??
  Baptisms: 4 Feb 1798 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
  Ellen Hays - Daur of James Hays & Mary
  Occupation: Weaver
  Register: Baptisms 1781 - 1812, Page 200, Entry 6440
  Source: LDS Film 1562957
  
  Baptisms: 20 May 1798 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
  Samuel Hays - Son of James Hays & Mary
  Occupation: Weaver
  Register: Baptisms 1781 - 1812, Page 203, Entry 6571
  Source: LDS Film 1562957
  
  Baptisms: 28 Mar 1802 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
  Elizabeth Hayes - Daur of James Hayes & Mary
  Occupation: Weaver
  Register: Baptisms 1781 - 1812, Page 235, Entry 7954
  Source: LDS Film 1562957
  
  Baptisms: 15 Jul 1804 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
  Mary Ann Hayes - Daur of James Hayes & Mary
  Occupation: Weaver
  Register: Baptisms 1781 - 1812, Page 258, Entry 9094
  Source: LDS Film 1562957
  
  be aware that there is another james heys and mary having children baptised at st elphins at same times but he is a shoemaker and doesnt appear to have an ann . there is also a james heyes soldier married to a mary.

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