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daniell turpin has been baffling me for a year now need so help please

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  Posted by michelle (U14999114) on Sunday, 9th October 2011

  daniel turpin 1852 cant find his birth born supossibly in walsinham cant find his marrige either to elizabeth we have death cert
  
  Elizabeth turpin cant find her birth or marrige to daniel
  1864 – 1943 we have death cert
  children
  
  Louisa Emily Turpin was born in marylbone work house
  1893 –
  
  Ada Turpin my great gran we cant frind her birth she was born in london she married in st pancreas
  1895 –
  
  Robert Turpin
  1897 –
  
  Albert Turpin cant find his birth
  1899 –
  
  turpin
  1900 – 1906
  
  Elizabeth Turpin
  1901 – 1901
  
  Sidney Turpin
  1904 – 1906
  
  Elsie Turpin
  1907 –
  
  Esther Turpin
  1910 –
  
  
  he is a man that likes to hide he is anyone that can hekp would be greatull thanks
  

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 9th October 2011

  just for starters, though you probably already have these
  Name: Elizabeth Turpin
  Record Type: Baptism
  Estimated Birth Date: abt 1901
  Baptism Date: 16 Sep 1901
  Father's Name: Daniel Turpin
  Mother's Name: Elizabeth Turpin
  Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
  Borough: Camden
  born 13 Aug 1901
  Daniel was a gas fitter and they lived at 39 Euston Street
  
  Name: Sidney Turpin
  Record Type: Baptism
  Estimated Birth Date: abt 1904
  Baptism Date: 20 Jan 1904
  Father's Name: Daniel Turpin
  Mother's Name: Elizabeth Turpin
  Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras St Saviour
  Borough: Camden
  born 28 Dec 1903
  131 Whitfield street
  Daniel is a Painter

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 9th October 2011

  1911
  
  TURPIN DANIEL M 1855 56 St Pancras London
  TURPIN ADA F 1895 16 St Pancras London
  TURPIN ALBERT M 1899 12 St Pancras London
  TURPIN ELIZABETH F 1867 44 St Pancras London
  TURPIN ELSIE F 1908 3 St Pancras London
  TURPIN ESTHER F 1910 4 MONTHS St Pancras London
  TURPIN LOUISA E F 1894 17 St Pancras London
  TURPIN ROBERT M 1897 14 St Pancras London
  
  said they were married 20 years

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  Posted by glenton74 (U6667751) on Sunday, 9th October 2011

  Could it be possible that there was a name change between the 1891 and 1901 census?
  
  1891 has a Daniel Donaldson Wilson, gas fitter from Walsingham, Durham married to Elizabeth.

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 9th October 2011

  1901 the family are at 39 Euston Road St Pancras, Daniel is a general House smith born Walsingham
  
  1891 appears to be either mistranscribed or missing!

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  Posted by glenton74 (U6667751) on Sunday, 9th October 2011

  Only Mum is listed on Louisa Emily's baptism in 1893. Where was Dad?
  
  England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
  Name: Ada May Turpin
  Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1895
  Registration district: Hackney
  Inferred County: London
  Volume: 1b
  Page: 493
  
  

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 9th October 2011

  Think you are going to have to buy Ada May's birth cert to be sure of finding her mother's maiden name. That might make it easier to find a marriage for the parents.
  
  Though, looking at the age gap I suspect Daniel may have already been married before and might not have been able to marry Elizabeth.

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  Posted by glenton74 (U6667751) on Sunday, 9th October 2011

  This is a copy of a story from Ancestry
  
  "Isabella Coulson - William Wilson. They had a son called daniel donaldson wilson born 1845 in Wolsingham he went on to marry an Elizabeth then later disappeared off records. He later reappeared having married a second Elizabeth and had more children. He changed his surname to Turpin hence why people could not find him or a death. We knew very little about him apart from the old family tales saying he had changed his name they thought for reasons unknown and still unknown. He had a child called Elizabeth Annie to his 1st wife then had another 6 children with his 2nd wife under the new name of Turpin. "
  
  There is a Sept 1867 marriage to Elizabeth Jones which could be the first marriage

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 9th October 2011

  looking at the 1901 census again... it always suggests other records which might be relevant.
  
  is this the death for Daniel?
  Name: Daniel D Turpin
  Birth Date: abt 1850
  Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1935
  Age at Death: 85
  Registration district: Stoke Newington
  Inferred County: London
  Volume: 1b
  Page: 360
  
  if it is, then it also suggests this birth
  Name: Daniel Donaldson Wilson
  Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1845
  Registration district: Weardale
  Inferred County: Durham
  Volume: 24
  Page: 345
  
  1891
  Name: Daniel Donaldson Welson
  [Daniel Donaldson Wilson]
  Age: 46
  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
  Relation: Head
  Spouse's Name: Elizth Welson
  Gender: Male
  Where born: Wolsingham, Durham, England
  Civil parish: St James Westminster
  Ecclesiastical parish: St James Westminster St Thomas and St John the Baptist
  Town: St James Westminster
  County/Island: London
  Country: England
  Registration district: Westminster
  Sub-registration district: St James Westminster
  ED, institution, or vessel: 3
  Neighbors: View others on page
  Piece: 85
  Folio: 64
  Page Number: 22
  Household Members: Name Age
  Daniel Donaldson Welson 46
  Elizth Welson 44
  
  1881
  Name: Daniel D. Wilson
  Age: 36
  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
  Relation: Head
  Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Wilson
  Gender: Male
  Where born: Wolsingham, Durham, England
  
  Civil parish: St Martin in The Fields
  County/Island: London
  Country: England
  
  Street Address: 21 Cecil Court
  Condition as to marriage: Married
  Education:
  
  Employment status: View image
  Occupation: Gas Fitter
  
  Registration district: Strand
  Sub-registration district: St Martin In The Fields
  ED, institution, or vessel: 2
  Neighbors: View others on page
  Piece: 328
  Folio: 33
  Page Number: 10
  Household Members: Name Age
  Daniel D. Wilson 36
  Elizabeth Wilson 34 born St Martin in the Field
  Elizabeth A. Wilson 13
  
  I think this must be a different Elizabeth!
  
  1871 he appears to be missing
  
  1861
  Name: Daniel D Wilson
  Age: 16
  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
  Relation: Son
  Father's Name: William Wilson
  Mother's Name: Isabella Wilson
  Gender: Male
  Where born: Walsingham, Durham, England
  
  Civil parish: Westminster St Martin in The Fields
  Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
  County/Island: Middlesex
  Country: England
  
  Street Address:
  
  Occupation:
  
  Condition as to marriage: View image
  
  Registration district: St Martin In The Fields
  Sub-registration district: Long Acre
  ED, institution, or vessel: 3
  Neighbors: View others on page
  Household schedule number: 88
  Piece: 58
  Folio: 65
  Page Number: 16
  Household Members: Name Age
  William Wilson 44 blacksmith
  Isabella Wilson 47
  John Wilson 20 gilder
  William J Wilson 18 whitesmith
  Daniel D Wilson 16 whitesmith
  Isabella Wilson 13
  Richard Wilson 12
  Anne E Wilson 6
  
  birth
  Name: Daniel Donaldson Wilson
  Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1845
  Registration district: Weardale
  Inferred County: Durham
  Volume: 24
  Page: 345
  
  this puts him over 10 years older than he says in 1911 and 7 years older than 1901
  
  it does seem to point to being the right Daniel, Turpin might actually be Elizabeth's maiden name and Daniel adopted it for some reason

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Sunday, 9th October 2011

  1871
  Name: Daniel D Wilson
  Age: 26
  Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
  Relation: Head
  Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Wilson
  Gender: Male
  Where born: Wolsingham, Durham, England
  Civil parish: St Martin in The Fields
  Town: London
  County/Island: London
  Country: England
  Registration district: Strand
  Sub-registration district: Long Acre
  ED, institution, or vessel: 3
  Household schedule number: 179
  Piece: 353
  Folio: 70
  Page Number: 30
  Household Members: Name Age
  Daniel D Wilson 26
  Elizabeth Wilson 24
  Elizabeth A Wilson 3
  
  I'm with you on that Glen....

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