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Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
Hi all,
Trying to find what happened to William Folly/Folley. He was born 1847 at the Workhouse, Saunderton near High Wycombe. He was the illigitmate son of Letitia Folly. He may have given his birth place as Chinnor/Stokenchurch or Wycombe as he was there in those places almost straight after birth.
I seem to remember he may have spelt his name as Foley. Cant be sure as my computer crashed a few years ago and i lost a lot of info.
Any help much appreciated.
G
A possible contender in 1881 living 48 Lucey Road Bermondsey, Surrey, England.
William FOLEY Head M Male 36 Chinnor, Oxford, England Ironmongers Assistant
Mary A. FOLEY Wife M Female 38 Pimlico, Middlesex, England
Henry S. FOLEY Son Male 13 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England Scholar
Lillian C. FOLEY Dau Female 11 Soho, Middlesex, England Scholar
Nelly H. FOLEY Dau Female 8 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Scholar
Alice J. FOLEY Dau Female 4 Bermondsey, Surrey, England
William J. FOLEY Son Male 2 Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Elizabeth W. TOWNSEND Sister In Law U Female 26 St Giles, Middlesex, England
Here is the probable marriage for that couple.
Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
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FOLEY William St. Giles 1b 757
Gillett Jesse St.Giles 1b 757
TOWNSEND Mary Ann St. Giles 1b 757
TURNER Elizabeth Butler St. Giles 1b 757
This must be him in 1851, presume Seticca is his mother Letitia.
All born and living Stokenchurch. His mother is down as lodger and a lace maker.
Richard Folley
26
Catherine Folley
25
Susannah Folley
5
Joseph Folley
3
Ann Folley
1
Seticca Folley
30
William Folley
3
, in reply to message 4.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
Yes thats him on the 1851 and the Foley is a good contender.
Does he appear on the 1861 or 1871 to see when he decided to change the spelling (if it is him).
Regards
G
Rather elusive in those years so far Mr G but here is 1891 in Bermondsey.
No Mrs Foley so she must have died between 1881 and 1891.
William Foley
45
Henry S Foley
23
Lillian C Foley
21
Harriet N Foley
18
Alice G Foley
14
William J Foley
12
Elizabeth W Townsend
34
Frederich A Townsend
4
Possible death for Mary Ann.
Deaths Sep 1887 (>99%)
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Foley Mary Ann 44 St. Olave 1d 175
Confirmation of the marriage. I hope his fathers name was John or we have the wrong chap!
Name:
Mary Ann Townsend
Spouse Name:
William Foley
Spouse Age:
Full Age
Marriage Date:
17 Oct 1867
Parish:
St George, Bloomsbury
County:
Middlesex
Borough:
Camden
Father Name:
John Townsend
Spouse Father Name:
John Foley
This could be his death. Age is about right and same district as Mary Ann's death.
Deaths Mar 1899 (>99%)
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Foley William 54 St. Olave 1d 156
, in reply to message 6.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
He may have used the surname Steptoe in previous census. Not sure. That his stepfathers name. Other siblings have used it. so a possibilty.
Does he pop up on the 1901 aswell ? Trying to find a defo link.
Thanks
G
, in reply to message 8.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Confirmation of the marriage. I hope his fathers name was John or we have the wrong chap!
Name:
Mary Ann Townsend
Spouse Name:
William Foley
Spouse Age:
Full Age
Marriage Date:
17 Oct 1867
Parish:
St George, Bloomsbury
County:
Middlesex
Borough:
Camden
Father Name:
John Townsend
Spouse Father Name:
John Foley
Μύ
No his father wasnt John. He was illigitate son to Letitia Folly.
There are no other William Foley/Folly/Folley born at Chinnor that fits so there's a very good chance that this is him.
No trace yet on the 1861 or 1871 ?
G
He had popped off by 1901 if that is him but will check for any other possibles.
Just looking at 1861 and there is a 15 year old William Folley as a servant in Hampshire. His birthplace down as Henley Oxon 1846
I'll have a look for Steptoe. Can you confirm his father was John?
sorry message crossed there. I remember now he just had a mother tho possible he made up a fathers name when he married as I have come across that myself once or twice.
, in reply to message 13.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Yes i have seem many that make a fathers name up, so not that suprising i think.
If we can get him on the 1861 and 1871 then it might shed some clues.
G
, in reply to message 12.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
He had popped off by 1901 if that is him but will check for any other possibles.
Just looking at 1861 and there is a 15 year old William Folley as a servant in Hampshire. His birthplace down as Henley Oxon 1846
I'll have a look for Steptoe. Can you confirm his father was John?Μύ
There are also no William Folley's born Henley around this time.
Interesting.
G
No luck with 1871 at all. They should be a family with 2 little ones if the 1881 is anything to go by.
Re the mother was she born Stokenchurch 1821 because family search has her marrying a William North in 1841 and having children either side of William, not sure this can be right
I can't see any other candidates for him in 1901 or any under Steptoe. Wish we could find him in 1871 must be somewhere!
Got it!!
1871 living Bermondsey. Birthplace down as Chinnor.
William Folby
27
Mary Ann Folby
22
Henry S Folby
3
Lillian C Folby
1 Year, 3 Months
Elizabeth W Townsend
16
1871
Name: William Folby
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Folby
Gender: Male
Where born: Chinnor, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 637
Folio: 115
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
William Folby 27
Mary Ann Folby 22
Henry S Folby 3
Lillian C Folby 1 Year, 3 Months
Elizabeth W Townsend 16
Jo
, in reply to message 16.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
No luck with 1871 at all. They should be a family with 2 little ones if the 1881 is anything to go by.
Re the mother was she born Stokenchurch 1821 because family search has her marrying a William North in 1841 and having children either side of William, not sure this can be right
I can't see any other candidates for him in 1901 or any under Steptoe. Wish we could find him in 1871 must be somewhere!Μύ
No thats not right. She didnt mrry anyone a part from Albert Steptoe but by this point, she had had 4 illegitamate kids. Interestingly, her eldesy Joseph Folly, William North was named as the father but they never married.
, in reply to message 17.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Thanks Tourmie and Jowin, thats him although now his birth was around 1844.
On the 1851 can anyone have a look for any other William Folley born 1844-1848 to see whether this William is defo our man ?
G
There are no others on the 1851 born Bucks or Oxon.
Jo
, in reply to message 21.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
There is another William Folley born in 1846 in Wycombe district which covers Chinnor. There is no death for him pre 1851.
If we can find the other then we will defo be sure that William Foley is my man. Possible birth places for Wycombe district include Stokenchurch, High Wycombe, Chinnor, Saunderton, Marlow.
thanks
This could be the other one born Bledlow which is also in Wycombe district.
Age is a little out but it does say William Folly/William Folley in brackets.
1851
Joseph Tolly
45
Mary Tolly
41
John Tolly
21
James Tolly
17
Joseph Tolly
13
Mary Tolly
10
William Tolly
8
Deborah Tolly
5
Henry Tolly
3
Jane Tolly
9 MO
, in reply to message 23.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Not sure Tourmie.
There's an entry dor Dec 1842 which would tie in with this William.
:o(
So there is
Funny about the mother and William North especially as your chap is called William...
Just for info, rightly or wrongly, the children on family search allegedly from the union of Letitia and William North are shown as Daniel John born 14 Jan 1845 and Susannah Christened 4 Feb 1853 both at Stokenchurch.
, in reply to message 26.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Just for info, rightly or wrongly, the children on family search allegedly from the union of Letitia and William North are shown as Daniel John born 14 Jan 1845 and Susannah Christened 4 Feb 1853 both at Stokenchurch.Μύ
Yes there where 4.
Joesph
Daniel John (see the other thread at the moment)
William
Susannah
Joseph has William North as the father. Williams' birth the father was left blank.
It would be interesting to see whether a William North liced in the area in 1841 and 1851. He was a Shepherd. Was he married ?
G
I've just noticed as well those 2 children have Folley as a surname not North even tho it alleges they married about 1841.
Oh dear is that a Freudian slip "liced in the area"
Let's have a look for him.
1851
William North sheppard 34 born Aston Oxford married to Lavinia 31 lace maker with a 1 year old son James.
Marriages Jun 1846 (>99%)
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Bennell Edmund Wycombe 6 611
Britnell Sarah Wycombe 6 611
North William Wycombe 6 611
STONE Edmund Wycombe 6 611
STONE Rebecca Wycombe 6 611
TRENDELL Lavinia Wycombe 6 611
, in reply to message 28.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
No, William North and Letitia did not marry. Thats for sure.
Maybe he was lonely when looking after his flock ?
G
He's on his todd in 1841 (ie not with any family) but with 19 other people on a farm.
No, William North and Letitia did not marry. Thats for sure.
Maybe he was lonely when looking after his flock ?
GΜύ
Yes the sheep weren't good enough company. If that is him married to Lavinia then he is a bit of a naughty boy!
Might not be him as the 1841 one has born Stokenchurch which seems more likely - is Aston nearby?
, in reply to message 32.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Very close. About a mile as the crow fly's.
I have found on family search a William North bap 1814 in Aston Rowant, could this be him ?
By 1861 he's lost his wife and is with son James 12 and daughter Caroline 10.
Still ag lab and shepherd. Children born Hambledon Bucks.
Deaths Dec 1854 (>99%)
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North Lavinia Henley 3a 349
, in reply to message 32.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
I thought the 1841 census doesnt have a place where born only whether it was in or out of county ? Was he living in Stokenchurch in 1841 as this would tie in with Letitia as she was there at the time.
G
Yes you're quite right Stokenchurch was place of residence. Looks like Chequers? farm house. The farmer was William Hessey 60.
, in reply to message 36.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Thats good news.
Just to top and tail this one.
Can you tell me where Lavinia was born ? Also does it say on the 1861 where William North was born and finally, does the family appear on the 1871 ? I cant find William on the 1881 but i think ive found his son James ?
G
Certainly. Lavinia was born Radnage Bucks.
1861 William again born Aston.
Not so clear for 1871 yet.
There's a death in Wycombe 1865 for a William North but don't know how old this person was. Maybe Jo with her magic index can see if the age fits your man.
Have to leave for a while now hope this all helps
, in reply to message 39.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Thanks for all your help
, in reply to message 39.
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 10th October 2011
1861 - presumably mother and siblings?
Name: Letitia Steptoe
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Stokenchurch, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Great Marlow
Town: Great Marlow
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Great Marlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Piece: 858
Folio: 67
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Letitia Steptoe 42
Thomas Steptoe 14 - b BUcks, Saunderton [?]
Susannah Steptoe 7
Maria Steptoe 3
, in reply to message 41.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Thats them !!
BUT who is Thomas ? Going by the birth that was the time William Folly was born and the same place as William. The Wycombe workhouse which which is in Saunderton. Susannah is Susannah Folly and Maria must be their firdt child as they wernt married until 1856.
But the Thomas thing is weird as that should be William !!
G
, in reply to message 42.
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Susannah is back as Folly by 1871
Name: Susanah Folly
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Stockenhurst, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Great Marlow
Town: Great Marlow
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Great Marlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 162
Piece: 1405
Folio: 55
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Edmund Steptoe 41
Letitia L Steptoe 51
Maria Steptoe 13
Susanah Folly 20
Well that is strange isn't it If that is really William then he can't be the William found earlier in 1861 as a servant as he can't be in two places at once.
I can't see a Thomas in 1851 that would fit this one and as you say the birthplace is spot on for it being William.
Also I notice in 1881 Letitia has a 19 year old son called Albert where did he come from?!
You may already have this info but just to add to the mix there is an adopted daughter as well. Least I assume that's what Adtd means.
1881 living Trinity Road Great Marlow, Buckingham, England.
Leticia STEPTOE Head W Female 62 Stokenchurch, Oxford, England Seamstress
Albert STEPTOE Son U Male 19 Gt Marlow, Buckingham, England Ag Labr
Ellen LINE Adtd Dr U Female 10 High Wycombe, Buckingham, England Scholar
, in reply to message 43.
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 10th October 2011
For some reason Ancestry hasn't transcribed Henry H Steptoe aged 7
And who's Albert - her son on 1881??
Name: Leticia Steptoe
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Stokenchurch, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Great Marlow
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street Address: Trinity Road
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Seamstress
Registration district: Wycombe
Sub-registration district: Great Marlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1466
Folio: 84
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Leticia Steptoe 62
Albert Steptoe 19
Ellen Line 10 - adopted [??] daughter
, in reply to message 46.
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Think Henry H left off 1871 is actually Henry A ie this chap so should be aged 9 not 7
Name: Henry Albert Steptoe
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1862
Registration district: Wycombe
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 372
, in reply to message 47.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
All great info thanks.
This Thomas Steptoe has really thrown a spanner in the works.
I'm not so sure now the William Foley in london is my man.
Can anyone have a look on the 1871 to see whether William is transcribed as William Steptoe or Thomas Steptoe ? I see there is a william steptoe death registered in late 1861. Could this be my william and are there any candidates in the area on the 1861 to disprove my theory?
Regards
G
1871 people born around 1846.
There are 3 Thomas Steptoes born 1843 Battersea, 1849 Great Haseley Oxford and 1850 Lambourn.
6 William Steptoes born 1845 Soton, 1844 Wootton Berks, 1844 Islington, 1843 Hampshire, 1849 Kennington Berks and 1842 Chilster Hants.
1861 7 William Steptoes most of which tie in with those listed above for 1871.
1842 one born Amersham is a nephew living with Charles and Emma Brown Amersham a shoemakers apprentice.
Maybe he is the one that dies - what district is the death in?
, in reply to message 49.
Posted by MrGrinch-Champion of the Middle Saxons (U1934518) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
The death was in Wycombe.
Nothing stands out does it.
G
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