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Message 1.Â
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
I am trying to find out the date and reason for my late cousin's death. She was born in Prescot, Lancashire. The daughter of Mary Lyon and William Vernon. She was married to a Basil G D Duggan in 1948 in Conwy, Caernarvon. I believe she was a school teacher and walked into the sea at Llandudno, committing suicide. If any person knows anything about her or her family I would be most appreciative.
Bessie Bennett -
Message 2
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
I have checked free BMD and nothing coming up on there for a death for Dorothy Duggan but it may not have the full index yet.
Have you checked the local newspapers for the area from your local Record Office
You can also check Ancestry at your local Library if they have a sub.
Someone here may find something for you.
Edna -
Message 3
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
FMP has deaths up to 2006, but nothing showing up there , except for a Dolly Duggan , but birth year is 1893 , so probably not her .
When was she born ? as I can't see a Vernon./ mmn Lyon birth -
Message 4
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
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Marriages Sep 1948 (>99%)
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Duggan Basil G D Vernon Conway 8a 303 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hughes William L King Conway 8a 303
Hughes William L Stewart Conway 8a 303
King Mary E C Hughes Conway 8a 303
Stewart Mary E C Hughes Conway 8a 303
Vernon Dorothy M Duggan Conway 8a 303 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Here is the marriage
Edna -
Message 5
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
Is it possible that someone has told you this story to cover up for her walking out on a marriage as it does seem a bit drastic, Nothing coming up for a death in this name and if she had walked out and re married under another name then the death would be under the new name.
There would have been an inquest into the death even if no body was found as missing presumed dead?
Edna -
Message 6
Posted by Grumpyjaywit (U2986749) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
Dorothy's birth.
Dorothy M Vernon
Mother's Maiden Surname: Lyon
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1922
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 969 -
Message 7
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
Possible:-
Name: Dorothy DUGGAN
Date of departure: 30 August 1957
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Montreal, Canada
Passenger destination: Montreal, Canada
Date of Birth: 13 April 1922
Age: 35 (calculated from DOB)
Marital status: Married
Sex: Female
Occupation: Housewife
Passenger recorded on: Page 8 of 25
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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
EMPRESS OF BRITAIN
J P Dobson
Montreal, Canada -
Message 8
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
Look at Dorothy Duggans birthday - 13th April - the maiden voyage to Montreal was on the 18th of April 1957! A birthday gift/trip to herself!?
couldn't resist putting this link on even if it isn't her!!
BH -
Message 9
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
This is that Dorothy's death
Name: Dorothy May Duggan
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1922
Date of Registration: Feb 1996
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Southwark
Inferred County: London
Register number: B8A
District and Subdistrict: 2511B
Entry number: 250 -
Message 10
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
Interesting
This is that Dorothy's return journey
Name: Dorothy M Duggan
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1922
Age: 36
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 7 May 1958
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Empress of England
Search Ship Database: View the 'Empress of England' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific
Official Number: 3149/01
Her onward address is in Llandudno! She is married - a housewife - UK born, country of last permanent residence England, country of future permanent residence is Canada -
Message 11
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
That's her. Here is Basil coming back two months later - to the same address in Llandudno. He also notes an intent to reside in Canada permanently
Name: Basil Duggan
Birth Date: 24 May 1923
Age: 35
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 17 Jul 1958
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Sylvania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Sylvania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 8375/01
Given the death I found, the suicide story for Dorothy seems unlikely -
Message 12
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
Basil remarries in 1977, in the London area, so divorce seems quite possible
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Message 13
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Thanks for your help. I have had interesting replies from Canada with details of her emigrating to Canada with duggan and returning to Llandudno. This puts a new light on my aunt's story.
I will check with the Llandudno papers andd Library.
Bessie Bennett -
Message 14
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
She was born in 1892 in Prescot, Lancashire, so was a maiden lady when she married.
I have had replies from Canada giving me sea passages for her and her husband, Basil. Also return dates. I know she commited suicide off Llandudno because I remember going with my mother to see someone in an Off licence who knew the story. Unfortunately, the shop is no longer there.
The mystery remains!
Bedssiebennett -
Message 15
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Thanks. I do have that from Ancestry.
I have had interesting info from Canada which I am following up.
Bessiee Bennett -
Message 16
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Thanks for that. The Lyon families were mainly from St Helens, Lancs, so I did not think of checking in Birkenhead area.
I am still searching for her death. I know there was a suicide because my mother took me to Llandudno years ago to an Off Licence and the man there talked about the finding of her clothes on the beach. However, whether a body was found I do not know.
The Off Licence no longer exsists.
Bessiebennett -
Message 17
Posted by Bessiebennett (U14200483) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Thanks. You have been most helpful and very busy. It may be that she was upset about a divorce.
I went to llandudno in the 50's with my mother and we saw a man who owned an Off licence. A relation, I think. He said that her clothes were found on the beach but whether a body was ever found, I do not know. It remains a mystery. If I discover more I will let you know.
Bessiebennett
The shop no longer exists. -
Message 18
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Thanks for that. The Lyon families were mainly from St Helens, Lancs, so I did not think of checking in Birkenhead area.
I am still searching for her death. I know there was a suicide because my mother took me to Llandudno years ago to an Off Licence and the man there talked about the finding of her clothes on the beach. However, whether a body was found I do not know.
The Off Licence no longer exsists.
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