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  Posted by Grumpyjaywit (U2986749) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011

  East End poverty, Polish emigree.
  
  History of Len's Cecil Silk Weaver ancestors.
  
  1985 is the three hundredth anniversary of the revocation of the Edict on
  Nantes by Louis XIV of France. This act by Louis in revoking the rights
  of French protestants caused large numbers of them to flee to protestant
  countries. Between 40 and 50 thond French protestant then settled in
  England in the years after 1685, including your ancestors, or at least
  one branch of them.
  
  As far as the Cecil's go, the story begins in 1739 when Charles Cecil
  marries Judith Raby on January 14th in the parish of Stepney, St.
  Dunstan. The St. Dunstan register gives the year as 1738, because the
  year at that time ran from the end of February to the first of March.
  Stepney, St. Sunstan was the church of choice for Huguenots who wanted to
  register baptism and marriages in Anglican registers.
  
  So far in my research, I have found no record on any Cecil's in the
  Huguenot records and it seems likely that Charles Cecil was not a
  Huguenot. You can see from the attached Charts that I have found the
  marriage record of the parents of Judiths Raby which gives the surnames
  of all four of her grandparents. It is not yet certain whether or not
  her father, Daniel, was born in England or France.
  
  Many, if not most, of the Huguenots were town dwellers and were artisans,
  particularly weavers. Daniel Raby and Charles Cecil were both weavers
  which is no doubt why the families were brought together. You can also
  see from the charts that the family trade of the Cecil's was weaving. The
  Shoreditch area of London was a center of the weaving trade.
  
  To make matters easier for you, I have enclosed a map of the Shoreditch
  area for 1746. If you have a map of London, it is that area several
  miles due east, down Old Street, from the current location of the Society
  of Genealogist. Many of the streets are still there.
  
  Charles Cecil and Judith Raby had seven known children, six of whom were
  male. I have traced five of them with a fair degree of certainty and you
  will note that the Cecil's were a very large family. Most of the Cecil's
  listed in the international Genealogical Index for London are probably
  related.
  
  The first of the children, Charles Daniel, if of the most interest to
  you. He was Baptized at the Church of St. Jean Spitalfields, a French
  Huguenot Church. Translated from the French, the entry reads: Cecil.
  1740, 18 May, Charles Daniel son of Charles Cecil and of Judy Raby, Bapt.
  by Mr. Say, Pastor. Godfather Daniel Raby, Godmother Madelaine
  Fourgeron. born 3 May.
  
  On Feb. 11, 1765, Charles Cecil married Elizabeth Archer at Bethnal Green
  St. Matthew. The date and the place of the marriage, plus the fact that
  Charles was a weaver, all indicate this is the correct marriage. Charles
  and Elizabeth had three children. The first, Charles, was baptized in
  1766 at Stepney St. Dunstan. In the parish register for Stepney St.
  Geroge in the East there is an entry for an Elizabeth Archer Daughter of
  Richard Archer and Mary, Baptized May 17, 1734. It is possible that this
  is Elizabeth's baptism. The second son, john, is the direct male Line.
  In 1791, he married Rose Roberts at Beth=anal Green St. Matthews. One
  fact which indicates that the John who married Rose and the Charles who
  married Martha are brothers, or at least close relatives, is that both
  had children baptized on February 3, 1808 at Bethnal Green St. Matthews.
  Robert, the son of John and Rose, and Thomas, the son of Charles and
  Marta were baptized together and added to the other evidence, the
  relationships seem firmly established.
  
  Through the baptisms of the children of John and Rose, we can trace the
  movements of the family in the Shoreditch. The first entry which gives
  and address is that for William in 1797. At that time the family lived
  in St. John Street. In 1799, at the birth of Charles the address is
  given as Long Alley. Then in 1804 with the birth of George, it is given
  as George Yard. What seems to be happening is that originally Charles
  and Judith lived within the parish of Bethnal Green and that over the
  years, the children and grandchildren began moving east into Shoreditch
  St. Leonard.
  
  Returning for a moment to the Huguenot registers, it seems that Daniel
  Raby, the father of Judith, married twice. The words homme veuf after
  his name in the register for his marriage to Jeanne Courtonne mean
  widower and indicates that his fist wife and Judith's mother Madelaine
  Poinvin, had died.
  
  
  

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  Posted by PaulaG (U3004479) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011

  Buddy brilliant.

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  Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011

  Hi GJW, are you an authority on silk weavers in Bethnal Green?
  
  Would you be able to help me with a query although the family were not Huguenots and did not originate in BG?
  
  Pheno

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  Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011

  wish gjw was! I have a line of silk weavers living in Bethnal Green too, I was well glued hoping to see some of the same roads and possibly names. Mine started like in Warwickshire before moving to London.
  
  I was just glad Len is so easy to watch and listen to otherwise it could have turned out to be another slow moving one.
  
  OH like the Polish soldier story, very different.

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  Posted by Familysearch (U2959402) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

  There was a lot in this programme: Entertaining because Len was not really who he thought he was!
  
  The poverty angle of London was interesting - and it reminded me of the Booth archive, which again I should look up because many of my recent ancestors were in London around that time - including a death in a workhouse, although I suspect that was in the hospital rather than because he was destitute.
  
  The polish history too, will show the many who have settled here from that land where they can look for research. I, for one, had not realised that immigration from Poland went that far back.
  
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  Posted by Grumpyjaywit (U2986749) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

  Hi GJW, are you an authority on silk weavers in Bethnal Green?
  
  Would you be able to help me with a query although the family were not Huguenots and did not originate in BG?
  
  ±Κ³σ±π²Τ΄ΗΜύ Pheno No I'm not, Plush Weavers in Oxfordshire I do know about but I found that by Googling 'Cecil Silk Weavers'

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  Posted by dmatt47 (U13073434) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

  I thought it was a good programme, what is interesting is what was not stated (if they had researched it I do not know) that findmypast have found James Goodman's Army record who spent some time suffering from various ailments.

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  Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Thursday, 6th October 2011

  
  
  The St. Dunstan register gives the year as 1738, because the
  year at that time ran from the end of February to the first of March.Β 
  
  It wasn't as simple as that!
  The year actually ended on March 25th. March 26 was New Year's Day: November was the 9th month and December was the 10th
  
  It changed to the present system in 1752

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  Posted by lil_pumpkin (U5766800) on Friday, 7th October 2011

  Great episode, not what I was expecting from an episode focusing on a London based family.

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