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Message 1.Β
Posted by Drew Peacock (U9721337) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011
Hi, can someone look for William John Abbott born 1896 in Tilbury, Essex on the 1911 please, no idea where he will be and who he will be with, he isn't with his parents, but may be in Kent.
Thank you, jen
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Message 2
Posted by dmatt47 (U13073434) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011
There is no record of him in the 1911 census. Have you checked The National Archives, Kew, website as he could have been in the Royal Navy.
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Message 3
Posted by Drew Peacock (U9721337) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011
Ive not checked there, could be a possibility though as the family were sailors through the generations, thanks.
Would you also be able to look and see if there is a William Cheesman born 1890 East Peckham, kent please. He will probably be with parents William and Jane and brother Henry born 1891. Thanks. -
Message 4
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011
Ive not checked there, could be a possibility though as the family were sailors through the generations, thanks.
Would you also be able to look and see if there is a William Cheesman born 1890 East Peckham, kent please. He will probably be with parents William and Jane and brother Henry born 1891. Thanks.Β William Cheeseman
England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1890 East Peckham,​ Kent
residence: 31 Mar 1901 Dartford,​ Kent,​ England
census: 31 Mar 1901 Dartford,​ Kent,​ England
name: William Cheeseman
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 11
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: East Peckham, Kent
record type: Household
registration district: Dartford
sub-district: Dartford
ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
civil parish: Dartford
county: Kent -
Message 5
Posted by Drew Peacock (U9721337) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011
Thanks Boothunter, is there an address for him and also a list of the other family members please?
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Message 6
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011
Can't see an address but lots of entries if you click the link...
BH
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Message 7
Posted by Drew Peacock (U9721337) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011
Just realised that was the 1901 BH, Ive got them on that its the details from the 1911 that Im after for these, its a while since I looked at this branch as they got me so confused before
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Message 8
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011
Don;t think William JOhn Abbott is in the navy as he's a grenadier guard when he is killed in WWI (not sure about the date of death!)
Name: William John Abbott
Birth Place: Tilbury, Essex
Death Date: 31 Jul 1919
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Maidstone, Kent
Rank: GDSN.
Regiment: Grenadier Guards
Battalion: 1st Battalion
Number: 15602
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre -
Message 9
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Wednesday, 5th October 2011
Think this is a more accurate date for the same person
Name: ABBOTT, WILLIAM JOHN
Initials: W J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Grenadier Guards
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Date of Death: 31/07/1917
Service No: 15602
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: VIII. C. 9.
Cemetery: DUHALLOW A.D.S. CEMETERY -
Message 10
Posted by Drew Peacock (U9721337) on Thursday, 6th October 2011
Thank you Mabel, I didn't have this info, I will add it to my tree.
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Message 11
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Thursday, 6th October 2011
Couple of possibilities this William born Essex 1894:--
COOPER, George Henry Head Married M 39 1872 Fishmonger Assistant Notting Hill London
COOPER, Edith Alice Wife Married
9 years F 33 1878 Mildenhall Suffolk
COOPER, Sidney George Son M 8 1903 School Middlesex Hornsey
COOPER, Ernest Townsen Son M 6 1905 School Middlesex Hornsey
COOPER, Harold Henry Son M 2 1909 Middlesex Hornsey
ABBOTT, Ellen Amelia Sister Single F 29 1882 Service Domestic Middenhall Suffolk
ABBOTT, Harries Agnes Son F 20 1891 Dressmaker Middenhall Suffolk
ABBOTT, William Brother Single M 17 1894 Messenger Biograph Essex Walthamstow
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7218 Reference:
RG14PN7218 RG78PN353 RD132 SD1 ED26 SN149
Registration District:
Edmonton Sub District:
Hornsey Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
Hornsey
Address:
15 Haringey Road Hornsey County:
Middlesex
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and this one:-
COX, Mary Ann Widow F 55 1856 Charwoman Croydon Surrey
ABBOTT, John W Head Married M 38 1873 Motor Cab Washer Dont Know
ABBOTT, Eleanor Wife Married
16 years F 33 1878 Chipstead Surrey
ABBOTT, William John Son Single M 15 1896 Coachman Groom Camberwell London
ABBOTT, Leslie L Son M 13 1898 School Camberwell London
ABBOTT, James F Son M 11 1900 School Camberwell London
ABBOTT, Horace G Daughter M 9 1902 School Camberwell London
ABBOTT, Eva W Daughter F 6 1905 School Camberwell London
ABBOTT, Archibald Son M 4 1907 Camberwell London
ABBOTT, Bertie H Son M 1 1910 Camberwell London
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2487 Reference:
RG14PN2487 RG78PN84 RD27 SD3 ED3 SN80
Registration District:
Camberwell Sub District:
Camberwell North Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Camberwell
Address:
4 Westmacott Street Camberwell S E County:
London -
Message 12
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Thursday, 6th October 2011
Could this be your William Cheeseman:-
ROWLEY, James Head Servant Single M 73 1838 Caretaker Braughing Herts
CARTER, Herbert Wilfred Servant Single M 27 1884 Warehouseman Romsey Hants
DIXON, Arthur George Servant Single M 20 1891 Assistant Corn Dept Greenwich S E
CHEESEMAN, William Alfred Servant Single M 21 1890 Assistant Corn Dept Yalding Kent
ABBOTT, Frederick George Servant Single M 18 1893 Assistant Provision Deptford S E
CALLENNE, Harry George Servant Single M 21 1890 Assistant Provision Greenwich S E
STEPHENS, Frank Ernest Servant Single M 17 1894 Junior Clerk Portsmouth Hants
CHALLENGER, Caroline Elizabeth Servant Single F 39 1872 Hous Keeper Abersycham Monmouth
HERSON, Annie Servant Single F 48 1863 Domestic Servant Peckham S E
LEADER, Edith Jane Servant Single F 21 1890 Domestic Servant Abertillery Monmouth
SPENCER, Florence Alice Servant Single F 26 1885 Cashier Forest Gate E
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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2625 Reference:
RG14PN2625 RG78PN89 RD28 SD2 ED2 SN280
Registration District:
Greenwich Sub District:
Deptford East Enumeration District:
2 Parish:
St Paul Deptford
Address:
8 10 12 High St Deptford SE County:
London -
Message 13
Posted by Drew Peacock (U9721337) on Thursday, 6th October 2011
Thanks Bertie, Im not sure if any of them are mine, According to the 1911 census for William Abbotts parents that you emailed me, they only had 2 children, 1 of whome was living which is William jnr so I don't think these are him.
Regarding William Cheesman, if you get chance would you do a search on his younger brother Henry born 1891, again Im expecting him to be with parents.
Thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it
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Message 14
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 6th October 2011
Think this is Henry in 1911
BATHURST, William Head Married M 27 1884 Waggoner On Farm Kent Smarden
BATHURST, Eliza Wife Married
5 years F 30 1881 Kent Yalding Colters Kent
BATHURST, Annie Daughter F 3 1908 Kent Yalding Benover
BATHURST, William Son M 1 1910 Kent Yalding Benover
CHEESEMAN, Henry Boarder Single M 21 1890 Farm Labourer Kent Yalding Benover
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Address:
Benover Yalding Maidstone -
Message 15
Posted by Drew Peacock (U9721337) on Thursday, 6th October 2011
Thanks Jan, thats probably him, just need William (snr) and Jane now, they must be on there own usless she popped out another child i don't know about.
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Message 16
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Thursday, 6th October 2011
Jen, is this the youngest child of William & Jane as on the 1901 census and could the fact that he is in a children's home imply that something has happened to both William & Jane. I couldn't find either of them on the 1911 census.
1911 census - household transcription
Person: CHEESEMAN, Frederick
Institution: Greenwich And Deptford Children's Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔs, GREENWICH AND DEPTFORD CHILDRENS HOMES
CHEESEMAN, Frederick Inmate M 11 1900 School Greenwich
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3720 Reference:
RG14PN3720 RD42 SD4 ED16 SN9999
Registration District:
Bromley Sub District:
Chislehurst Enumeration District:
16 Parish:
Foots Cray
Address:
Halfway St Lamorbey Sidcup County:
Kent
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Message 17
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 6th October 2011
Pheno you may be right , as Frederick is with the family in 1901, found a possible for William , but not Jane (as yet)
Deaths Mar 1902 (>99%)
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Cheeseman William 38 Dartford 2a 426
1901 census
CHEESEMAN, William Head Married M 36 1865 General Labourer
East Peckham
Kent VIEW
CHEESEMAN, Jame Wife Married F 37 1864
Chatham
Kent VIEW
CHEESEMAN, William Son M 11 1890
East Peckham
Kent VIEW
CHEESEMAN, Jame Son M 7 1894
Strood
Kent VIEW
CHEESEMAN, John Son M 4 1897
W Greenwich
London VIEW
CHEESEMAN, Frederick Son M 2 1899
W Greenwich
London VIEW -
Message 18
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 6th October 2011
There's a few marriages , but the below is the only one in Dartford
Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)
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CHEESEMAN Jane Ann Dartford 2a 1159
HOLLINGTON Annie Dartford 2a 1159
MEAD Harold Levi Dartford 2a 1159
SMITH David Arthur Dartford 2a 1159 -
Message 19
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Thursday, 6th October 2011
The 1903 entry
PreviewName: Jane Cheeseman
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Registration district: Malling
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Jane Cheeseman Oct-Nov-Dec 1903 Malling Kent
William Arthur Heeks Oct-Nov-Dec 1903 Malling Kent
Mary Ann L Newman Oct-Nov-Dec 1903 Malling Kent
George Woodger Oct-Nov-Dec 1903 Malling Kent -
Message 20
Posted by Drew Peacock (U9721337) on Friday, 7th October 2011
Thank you very much for all your help.
Jen
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