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Glasson & Jacka family lines ~ Cornwall
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Message 1.Β
Posted by Wildlor (U14989187) on Monday, 26th September 2011
Hi, I am having two dead ends relative to my maternal lines:
one is searching for a birth record and parentage for:
Eliza Thomas Jacka born in 1860 daughter of Mary Ann Jacka (I find her in the census for 1871, 81, etc. but am stumped about her father. There was no marriage as far as I know, but no bastardy bonds. Thomas is said to have been relevant to her father but I don't know if as a surname or forename. She later married her step-brother John Dobb, son of William James Dobb.
Her mother married John's father (William James Dobb, widow of Susanna Glasson)
William James Dobb's first wife is Susanna Glasson. We can find the name George Glasson on her marriage record as being her father, but no birth record for her anywhere in the online parish registers. Her birth year according to date at marriage and subsequent censuses, would be about 1825. Her first daughter's name was Grace Runnals Dobb which may offer another clue to her mother's line but so far, no baptism or birth records. Her censuses show her being born at Paul or Madron. Any help is greatly appreciated.
I believe we discovered that she is a different Susan(na) from the child of John and Mary Tremain Glasson who later emigrated to Australia.
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Message 2
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Monday, 26th September 2011
Hi, is this the 1871 census entry you were referring to for Eliza Jacka?
Person: JACKA, Eliza J
Address: Rose, Perranzabuloe
JACKA, Eliza Head F 46 1825 Cornwall
JACKA, Mary A Daughter F 23 1848 Cornwall
JACKA, Eliza J Daughter F 12 1859 Cornwall
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
2279 Folio:
64 Page:
5
Registration District:
Truro Sub District:
St Agnes Enumeration District:
24 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish:
Perranzabuloe Municipal Borough:
Address:
Rose, Perranzabuloe County:
Cornwall
If so, the original states Eliza J Jacka rather than a T for Thomas and also lists her as a daughter of the Head of the household which is Eliza Jacka rather than Mary Ann Jacka who would appear to be her sister.
Having said that there is another Eliza Jacka in the 1871 census for Cornwall so may be I have the wrong family.
Pheno -
Message 3
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Monday, 26th September 2011
For info this is the other Eliza Jacka who is with a Mary A Jacka so although they might be mother and daughter I guess they would both be nieces of Eliza Quintrell.
Person: JACKA, Eliza
Address: Ashton, Breage
QUINTRELL, Eliza Head F 75 1796 Cornwall VIEW
JACKA, Mary A Niece F 28 1843 Cornwall VIEW
JACKA, Eliza Niece F 11 1860 Cornwall VIEW
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
2308 Folio:
44 Page:
24
Registration District:
Helston Sub District:
Breage Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish:
Breage Municipal Borough:
Address:
Ashton, Breage County:
Cornwall
Pheno -
Message 4
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Monday, 26th September 2011
well this is her marriage entry - with middle name of thomas
Name: Eliza Thomas Jacka
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1880
Registration district: Helston
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 311 -
Message 5
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Monday, 26th September 2011
well quite a few trees on ancestry have her as daughter of james jacka and mary blanchard who married in 1824......................................but dont think they have thought it through as they have mary jacka born 1800 ......so dont think she can be eliza thomas born 1860's mother . probably grandparent ie mother of mary ann
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Message 6
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Monday, 26th September 2011
did eliza's marriage cert to john dobb give any fathers name
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Message 7
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Monday, 26th September 2011
is this eliza in 1881 married to john dobb
Name: Eliza Dobb
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Gender: Female
Where born: Gwennap, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Breage
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address: Ashton
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Helston
Sub-registration district: Breage
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A. Dobb 40 widow
Thomas H. Dobb 21
Lavinia Dobb 17
Matthew Dobb 15
Amelia A. Dobb 11
Alfreda Dobb 8
William J. Dobb 4
Charles Dobb 1
John Dobb 25
Eliza Dobb 21
Eliza Quintrell 89
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2326; Folio: 85; Page: 10; GSU roll: 1341559. -
Message 8
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Monday, 26th September 2011
Vron, your 1881 Eliza Dobb entry seems to confirm that it is the second of the two 1871 entries that is the right one as Eliza Quintrell is present on both censuses/censii?
Pheno -
Message 9
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Monday, 26th September 2011
i am just wondering how OP knew eliza thomas is daughter of mary ann if we cant find birth or baptism for her. cant seem to find her on 1861 census either
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Message 10
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 26th September 2011
Possible for Mary ann in 1861 - unmarried ag lab
Name: Mary A Jacka
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Gender: Female
Where born: Breage, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Breage
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Helston
Sub-registration district: Breage
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 107
Piece: 1574
Folio: 116
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Pearce 25
Elizabeth Pearce 30
Mary A J Pearce 4 MO
Mary A Jacka 20 -
Message 11
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Monday, 26th September 2011
Hi, is this the 1871 census entry you were referring to for Eliza Jacka?
Person: JACKA, Eliza J
Address: Rose, Perranzabuloe
JACKA, Eliza Head F 46 1825 Cornwall
JACKA, Mary A Daughter F 23 1848 Cornwall
JACKA, Eliza J Daughter F 12 1859 Cornwall
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
2279 Folio:
64 Page:
5
Registration District:
Truro Sub District:
St Agnes Enumeration District:
24 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish:
Perranzabuloe Municipal Borough:
Address:
Rose, Perranzabuloe County:
Cornwall
If so, the original states Eliza J Jacka rather than a T for Thomas and also lists her as a daughter of the Head of the household which is Eliza Jacka rather than Mary Ann Jacka who would appear to be her sister.
Having said that there is another Eliza Jacka in the 1871 census for Cornwall so may be I have the wrong family.
Pheno Β This is the baptism for the Eliza in the census here above
Could the mother have died? and her sister taken in the child
Edna
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for Eliza Jane Jacka
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Search collectionAbout this collectionName: Eliza Jane Jacka
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 01 Jul 1860
Baptism/Christening Place: Perranzabuloe, Cornwall, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Jacka
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Eliza
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03850-8
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1596124
Reference Number: -
Message 12
Posted by Pheno (U14601115) on Tuesday, 27th September 2011
Edna, I think Vrons entry in message 7 indicates that this is not the correct Eliza Jacka as I had supposed in message 2 and that, in fact, the Eliza Jacka referred to in the OP is the one in message 3 with Eliza Quintrell.
Does anybody else agree with me?
Pheno -
Message 13
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 27th September 2011
I thought as I had found it and no other for the name Pheno I would add the baptism.
However there is some Parish registers that can be viewed on line by browsing the Parish and going through the registers in date order but may take a while here is the link.
Edna
The other thought is that she may have been added to the NON Com records for some reason -
Message 14
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Tuesday, 27th September 2011
hi to you both. i was hoping the OP would come back with more info about what she knows - if she hasnt birth or baptism how does she know eliza is mary jane child and not sister etc.
it looks like the eliza she wants is the one with eliza quintrell -
Message 15
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 27th September 2011
Here's the Jacka/Quintrell connection
groom's name: Johnson Quintrell
bride's name: Eliza Jacka
marriage date: 04 Sep 1830
marriage place: Breage,Cornwall,England
indexing project (batch) number: M01554-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number:
This I thought was a possible baptism for Eliza
name: Eliza Jacka
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 28 Dec 1795
baptism/christening place: BREAGE,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
father's name: William Jacka
mother's name: Margaret
indexing project (batch) number: P01554-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 254177
Here's Margaret on 1841 - looks like the link is quite possible
Name: Margret Jacke
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1766
Gender: Female
Where born: Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Breage
Hundred: Kerrier
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Helston
Sub-registration district: Breage
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 136
Book: 3
Folio: 22
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Margret Jacke 75
Josiah Quntrull 10
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