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Message 1.Β
Posted by robbbb (U3366943) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
I am trying to find out any information of a herny Gieseking born 1828 london. He left england on board the ship samuel boddington in 1848 which arrived in port adelaide in january 1849.
Would like any infomation on him please, many thanks -
Message 2
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
He is listed here in the above link as Henry Gieseking
Edna -
Message 3
Posted by robbbb (U3366943) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
yes I spotted that thanks, his parents were ann and john henry william gieseking if thats of help at all.
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Message 4
Posted by dmatt47 (U13073434) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
According to ancestry, Henry was baptised on 24 August 1828 in St Ann Blackfriars which is in the City of London (not Middlesex), but according to the 1841 and 1851 censues his father had died by 1841. His mother was born in Bethnal Green in about 1791. I can't see a marriage but I suspect that it has been mis-transcribed.
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Message 5
Posted by JohnJensen (U6690738) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
Anyone who has full access to 1841 census details can confirm his full household's details, but familysearch.org shows him as age 12 and living at that stage in St Ann, Blackfriars, Middlesex with mother Ann and sisters Rebecca and Maria. The following link also lists what look like records of births of sisters Rebecca, Melina, Elizabeth Ann and Mahala. The father is listed as John henry William in some and just Henry in others, mother always listed as Ann.
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Message 6
Posted by JohnJensen (U6690738) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
Actually here is the parents' marriage also from familysearch.org
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Groom's Name: John Henry William Gieseking
Bride's Name: Ann Box
Marriage Date: 07 Nov 1813
Marriage Place: Saint Martin In The Fields,Westminster,London,England -
Message 7
Posted by JohnJensen (U6690738) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
Possible birth for Ann Box, though it would be nice to find some later evidence of your Ann Box's parents' names:
name: Ann Box
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 16 Feb 1783
baptism/christening place: St. Martin-in-the-Fields, Westminster, Middlesex, England
father's name: Charles
mother's name: Elizabeth -
Message 8
Posted by robbbb (U3366943) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
cheers for that but its his australian history im after
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Message 9
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
looking at the Australian death index for Henry turned up nothing but found these. as the name is so unusual, I think they must be children of Henry
eath index
Name: Mary Gieseking
Death Place: Victoria
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Catherine Hannand
Registration Year: 1856
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 5247
Name: Edward Gieseking
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 1
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Catherine
Registration Year: 1856
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 976
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Name: Mary Gieseking
Death Place: Victoria
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Catherine Hannand
Registration Year: 1856
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 5247
Name: Amelia Gieseking
Death Place: Victoria
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Catherine Hannand
Registration Year: 1857
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 6630
Name: Alfred Gieseking
Death Place: Victoria
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Catherine Hammand
Registration Year: 1861
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 1832 -
Message 10
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
and sister Rebecca appears to have married a Robert Baker
Name: Harriet Gieseking
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1849
Father's Name: Robert Baker
Mother's Name: Rebecca Gieseking
Birth Place: Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 123
Volume Number: 2 -
Message 11
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
Birth index
Name: Henry William Gieseking
Father's Name: Henry Gieseking
Mother's Name: Catherine Hannand
Birth Place: Newtown, Victoria
Registration Year: 1853
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 450
Name: Amelia Gieseking
Father's Name: Henry Gieseking
Mother's Name: Catherine Hannand
Birth Place: Victoria, Victoria
Registration Year: 1857
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 15118
Name: Edward Gieseking
Father's Name: Henry Gieseking
Mother's Name: Cath Hannand
Birth Place: Ashby, Victoria
Registration Year: 1855
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 1804
Name: Mary Gieseking
Father's Name: Hemy Gieseking
Mother's Name: Catherine Hannand
Birth Place: Victoria, Victoria
Registration Year: 1856
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 12950
Name: Alfred Gieseking
Father's Name: Henry Gieseking
Mother's Name: Catherine Hammand
Birth Place: Ashby, Victoria
Registration Year: 1861
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 2891
Name: Mary Gieseking
Father's Name: Henry Gieseking
Mother's Name: Catherine Harman
Birth Place: Collingwood, Victoria
Registration Year: 1876
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 22093
and a marriage for Henry! with a transcription error
Name: Catherine Hannand
Spouse Name: Henry Giescking
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1852
Registration Number: 29736 -
Message 12
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
can't see the marriage for sister Rebecca in australia, perhaps she married before they left
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Message 13
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
death of another of Rebecca's daughters
Name: Rebecca Giesking
Death Date: 26 Jun 1849
Age: 4 Months
Mother's Name: Rebecca Giesking
Residence Place: Adelaide
Registration Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Page Number: 176
Volume Number: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 -
Message 14
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
seems the birth of daughter Mary in 1876 is the last entry for the family... no more deaths.
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Message 15
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
newspaper archives
trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38459099?searchTerm=henry gieseking&searchLimits=
South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900)
UNCLAIMED LETTERS.β€” AUGUST 31, 1852.
Note.β€” Parties applying at the Post Office for advertised letters are requested to state particularly the date of the list in which they mayFix this text have observed the name, because such reference will materially facilitate delivery.
Henry is listed as not claiming letters -
Message 16
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
oops looks like Henry and Catherine split up in 1874!
papers past
Grey Rivers Argus 1874
Advertisements
Notice
I Henry Gieseking of Greymouth, Storekeeper, hereby give notice that I will not be responsible for any DEBTS contracted by my wife Catherine Gieseking, and all persons are hereby cautioned not to pay any debts due to me to my said wife.
Dated this 6th day of November 1874
Henry Gieseking -
Message 17
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
in the same paper, The Grey River Angus,1903
there is a John Gieseking of Greymouth standing as councillor... voting pages shown. He didn't quite get enough votes to become a councillor though. -
Message 18
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
Seems Henry doesn't want to be responsible for debts for any of his family!
same paper 1870
he takes out another Notice
Caution
Henry Gieseking of Richmond Quay, will not be responsible for any debts
contracted by Henry William Gieseking as he has left his home without just cause.
sounds like the boy ran away from home -
Message 19
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
I wonder if they moved on to NZ? there is an entry for a John Gieseking, hotel keeper, inbound to London from NZ in 1932. His birth is 1895, so too young to be another son of Henry and Catherine. Maybe its his grandson from the wayward Henry jnr
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Message 20
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
ok, so definitely looks like a descendant
1935 NZ electoral rolls for Westland, west coast
Eileen Georgina Gieseking, Australian Htl, Greymouth, spinster
John Gieseking, Brian Boru Hotel, Greymouth, barman
Kathleen Gieseking Brian Boru Hotel, Greymouth, spinster
William Henry Gieseking, Brian Boru Hotel, Greymouth, hotel keeper
think this must be the runaway Henry William and his children -
Message 21
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
1928-1963 electoral rolls
William henry is at the same place on all of them will John Gieseking
searching the NZ bmds
there is a death for errant wife Catherine Gieseking 71 yrs 1903
other Gieseking deaths
Catherine Gieseking no age 1871
Johanna 27 1895
John Gieseking 48 1916
George Francis Gieseking 6 1907
So it looks like William went to NZ and his mother later joined them.
johanna (neeO'Brien) was John Giesekings first wife, he went on to marry Mary Ann Hanrahan in 1896
off spring
with Johanna:
John 1893
Kathleen Annie 1891
Florrie 1892
with Mary Ann:
Kathleen 1897
William Henry 1899
to the william Henry and john mentioned earlier are grandsons of Herny Gieseking.
Still don't know what happened to Henry snr... though the indexes are not complete -
Message 22
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
found some more info after the board closed, but I think I need to recap and put it all in some kind of chronological order.
to recap
Henry Gieseking arrives in Adelaide January 1849,
sister Rebecca also appears in Adelaide 1849, giving birth to twin daughters on 12 Feb
Rebbecca dies 26 Jun, age 4 mths, and Harriet. Father is listed as Robert Baker but I can't see a marriage
for them and nothing else in Australia....
He married Catherine Hannand in 1852 Victoria (see variations on the spelling of her and his name!)
they have at least the following children in the state of Victoria
Henry William 1853 -
Amelia 1857 - 1857
Edward 1855 - 1856
Mary 1856 - 1856
Alfred 1861 - 1861
Mary 1876 -
There is another son John and daughter Catherine, not sure where where they were born though
At some point before 1870 they travel on to New Zealand and Settle in Greymouth, which is on the West coast of South Island.
1870, Henry is posting notices to locals not to give eldest son Henry William credit in his name, thats the last we see of son Henry William.
1874 His wife, catherine,is running up debts and he posts another notice in the paper about not giving her credit.
Henry at this point is a storekeeper. Maybe thats when she returns to Victoria and has baby Mary in 1876
Catherine does return though...
Henry dies is Greymouth 5 Jan 1887 age 57 (see orbit and funeral notice in the Grey River Argus newspaper)
Catherine dies 1903 age 71 giving her a birth date of abt 1834
Son John marries twice
1. Johanna P'Brien (1866-1895)
....John 1893 -
....Kathleen Annie 1891
....Florrie 1892
2. Mary Ann Hanrahan they marry in 1896
....Kathleen 1897
....William Henry 1889
another birth for a George Francis Gieseking (1901 - 1907), not sure if he is John's son or William Henry's.
next on the electoral rolls for Westland, West Coast NZ
1896 John Gieseking is a publican in Greymouth, living with Catherine Gieseking (mother I think)
1900 John is still a publican in Greymouth, livind with 2nd wife Mary Ann and mother Catherine
1905-6 John is still a Publican in Greymouth with wife Mary Ann
1911 same as above
1914 John is still a publican with Mary ann, they are joined by son John jnr who is a clerk at the Post Office Hotel
John stands for Councillor in 1903 but didn't get enough vots (Grey River Argus newspaper)
Son John dies is 1916, so the next entries must be for the grandson John
1919 John Giesking, Farmer living at Kopara
1919 Kathleen Gieseking 77 Tainui St Greymout, spinster
Electoral rolls Christchurch, Canterbury NZ
1928 John Gieseking 82 Warrington Street, Barman
electoral rolls Canterbury, MID CANTERBURY!
1928
John Giesking, Leeston, barman - possibly the same John had moved by the time the 2 electoral rolls occured
Electoral Rolls for Greymouth, Westland, Westcoast NZ
1928 William Henry Gieseking, Australasian Htl, Greymouth hotel keeper WEST COAST
1928 Eileen Georgina Gieseking Australasian Htl, Greymouth, spinster WEST COAST
1935 John Gieseking at the Brian Boru Hotel, barman along with his sisters Kathleen and Eileen Georgina and son William Henry who is
the Brian Boru hotel keeper WEST COAST
1938 John is still at the Brian Boru Hotel as barman along with Kathleen and Eileen Georgina, both spinsters, again son William Henry is hotelkeeper WEST COAST
1946 William Henry Gieseking is Hotel Keeper, Lombard Street, Greymouth WEST COAST
1946 John Gieseking 57 Mackay Street, Greymouth barman WEST COAST
1949 as above for both William and John WEST COAST
1954 john Gieseking, Revingtons Hotel Greymouth, retired WEST COAST
1954 Kathleen Gieseking 19 Ligar pl, Cl, spinster AUCKLAND
1957 John Gieseking 47 Chapel street, Greymouth retired WEST COAST
1969 John Gieseking 72 Reid Street, Greymouth, pensioner WEST COAST
1978 John Gieseking Dixon house Greymouth, rtired WEST COAST
1981 same for John Gieseking
not sure who Irene married, but giving it to you anyway!
1972 Irene Alice Gieseking, Aniseed valley Hope, NELSON, widow
listed 4 tmes in 1978?
1978 Irene Alice Giesking Birchfield, housewife WEST COAST
1978 Irene Alice Gieseking Boatsman Road, Cronadun WEST COAST
1978 Irene Alice Gieseking Martin Valley, Muchison married TASMAN
1978 Irene Alice Gieseking Aniseed Valley Hope, WIDOW TASMAN
meanwhile William Henry appears to have moved to Onlsow, Wellington
1954-63 11 Guildford tce, clerk
that's the last entry.... doesn't appear to have married?
1949 Kathleen Gieseking 19 Ligar pl, Cl, spinster AUCKLAND
1954 Kathleen Gieseking 19 Ligar pl, Cl, spinster AUCKLAND
1957 Kathleen Gieseking 19 Ligar pl, Cl, spinster AUCKLAND
1963 Kathleen Gieseking West coast road Watakere, AUKLAND pianist!
Granson, John jnr Giesling makes a trip to London, 1935
sources:
ancestry for Australian BMDs and NZ Electoral rolls
Ancestry for inbound passenger list
NZ BMDS (restrictions: births 100yr/marriages 80yr/deaths 50yr)
just search for Gieseking to save the images for the cuttings
image of the Brian Boru hotel
- 1895/610 Apr 23 Reporting loss of cheque No.4192 for 15/- (John Gieseking, Greymouth)
is that what you wer looking for (biggrin) -
Message 23
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
Well done jc and drawing up a timeline too making a clear picture.
Edna -
Message 24
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
Are you a member of genesreunited as there are lots with this surname and Jill and Eileen has a William 1899 Greymouth West Coast
Membership is not a lot of money and I can make contact for you if you prefer not to join although I do see a Robert there wich may be you.
Edna -
Message 25
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
now that was one place I didn't look Edna
sorry about the formatting. I had copied it from notepad as I had written it all out out of hours... -
Message 26
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
I think Rob may have seen the name already on genes and thats why he wanted the Aus research done to confirm the link which as it turns out is in his favour thanks to you Jen.
Edna -
Message 27
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
it wasn't that difficult Edna,
Firstly, the name is extremely uncommon, which helps, I have also just re-subscribed to Ancestry worldwide for a month to fill some gaps now there is more on there for Australia and NZ... so knew what was there, that lead me to NZ.
The rest was curtesey of google what would we do without it eh?
the biggest thing missing is the passenger lists between Australia and NZ, many of them are not searchable and I'm not going to trawl through them. -
Message 28
Posted by robbbb (U3366943) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
Absolutely Fantastic research JC, I can thank you enough. Thanks to all he helped and if you find anymore please let me know. This is another page filled in on my geneology.
I am a member of genes and will definately be looking on their now.
Many Thanks again for all your trouble.
rob -
Message 29
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
you're welcome Rob...just hope you can follow my ramblings
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Message 30
Posted by Bubble Works (U14532674) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
Where does the family originally come from? Gieseking is such a German/Dutch sounding name?
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