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Who was Mary Ledger
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Message 1.Β
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
I have her popping up on a couple of census and can't quite work out how she fits in.
She is down as an Aunt but how so is the question.
In 1881 she is married (Ledger is married name) aged 58 born Devon. There is no husband with her. Head of house is John Gilbert 24 born Devon and a lodger.
My other sighting of her is in 1901 when she is a widow of 78 living with Robert Hinchliffe and family. It says Aunt to wife - wife was Emma Gilbert but was her name formerly Gilbert or something else.
Would be interested to see where she slots into the mix. Thank you. -
Message 2
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
Tourmie, do you have the previous gilbert generation to Emma? It would be alot easier to try and find a marriage that way.
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Message 3
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
just to get a logical starting point
1901
Robert J Hinchliffe 48 Wilts
Emma J Hinchliffe 46 born Devonport
a ton of Hinchliffe kids and
Mary Leger 78 born Devonport -
Message 4
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
On the 1861 she says she's born Stoke Dameral and is a Seamans wife
Name: Mary Ledger
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Stoke Damerel, Devon, England
Civil parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Morice
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 369
Piece: 1452
Folio: 34
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Hooper 70
Mary Cloak 19
Mary Ledger 38 <<<<<<<<<
Maryann Dennis 51
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1452; Folio: 34; Page: 6; GSU roll: 542815 -
Message 5
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
1861
she is lodging in Devonport, stating she is a seaman's wife -
Message 6
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
All I have is her father and one brother I'm afraid but I think Mary could be from tother side.
Emmas mothers maiden name was Gudridge and there is a sister Mary. I have found her on a couple more census but never with a husband
I think the marriage must be the 1843 one but of course the groom is missing
To add to the confusion I have a brother for Mary called William Ledger Gudridge so maybe their mother was a Ledger and Mary married a cousin or something? -
Message 7
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
There is this one in 1841 born in county , no occupation given but the other 2 people have IND in the occupation box next to their names Can't see a Ledger / Gilbert marriage as yet
Name: Mary Gilbert
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Devon, England
Civil parish: Stoke Damerell
Hundred: Roborough
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: St Aubyn
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 275
Book: 4
Folio: 11
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Anna Whiteford 60
John Whiteford 15
Mary Gilbert 20
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 275; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Stoke Damerell; County: Devon; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 11; Page: 17; Line: 9; GSU roll: 241335. -
Message 8
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
there are quite a few Mary Gilbert marriages between 1840 and 1861 though!
Ledger may be a second marriage -
Message 9
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
Name: Mary Lidger
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Aunt
Gender: Female
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England
Civil parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Stoke Damerel
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1745
Folio: 63
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Emma J Hinchliffe 36
Edith R Hinchliffe 13
Rhoda Hinchliffe 12
Emert R Hinchliffe 10
Harry R Hinchliffe 5
Ertha M Hinchliffe 4
Emily M Hinchliffe 2
Robert R Hinchliffe 5/12
John D Gilbert 61............... father born Devonport
Mary Lidger 68
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1745; Folio 63; Page 19; GSU roll: 6096855.
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Message 10
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
Parish registers for Stoke Damerel/Plymouth are a bit thin on the ground
I've found 2 brothers for a John Gilbert son of William Gilbert and Mary Vogwell (m 1815) but that doesn't mean they didn't have more children. -
Message 11
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
or could be this one... though the age for Mary is a bit out..
1841 Yealpton Plymouth
Thomas Gilbert 54 gerdener
Mary Gilbert 60
Mary Gilbert 27
Mary Gilbert 51
John Gilbert 12
Hamphry Gilbert 7 -
Message 12
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
well... still can't find a marriage but this is a suitable candidate.
Name: William Ledger
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1891
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Inferred County: Devonshire
Volume: 5b
Page: 214
1891
Name: William Ledger
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England
Civil parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
he is on a Naval pension
1881 Stoke Damerel
Wm. Ledger 59 WIDOWER greenwich pensioner born stoke Damerel
Ann Higgins 50 <<< she is down as wife? Ireland
Joseph Higgins 26 Essex
Kate Higgins 20 Woolwich
John Higgins 15 Woolwich -
Message 13
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
see if anyone has access to FMP marriages abroad, she may have gone off with him and married overseas.
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Message 14
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
National Archives has william Ledger's naval records
Description Name Ledger, William
Place of Birth: Devonport, Devon
Continuous Service Number: 1303
Date of Volunteering: 01 July 1853
Date 23 November 1821
Catalogue reference ADM 139/14
costs 3.50 to download if you want to take a chance -
Message 15
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
Thanks everyone for your posts. William Ledger looks good for the groom but no suitable marriage to confirm.
I am still thinking Mary was Mary Gudridge not Mary Gilbert ie from the other side of the family.
In 1841 Mary is with sister Emma (down as Gadridge) I believe her mother Jane was a Ledger which is why I am thinking maybe she married a cousin or something but I could be completely wrong.
William and Mary are never together on a census are they or had any children far as I can see.
If we could find who Mary Gudridge did marry then it would be a bonus. Or maybe she didn't marry and it isn't her at all. More checking methinks! -
Message 16
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
The 1843 marriage has to be hers. On one site a groom is missing which I thought must be Mr Ledger but on BMD the full set is there and no Mr Ledger
Will check all the grooms names to see if I can find her with one of them on a census then I can rule her out.
Grooms are Henry Bain. John Dobbs. George Edward Stevens. William Coleman Woon that's an unusual one try him first. -
Message 17
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Saturday, 3rd September 2011
OK, starting with the marriage of Jane Gudridge then, I have found the first 2 couples in 1851
dec 1843
Bain Henry Stoke Damerel 9 523 )
Morgan Caroline Stoke Damerel 9 523 )
Harris Jane Charlotte Stoke Damerel 9 523 )
WOON William Coleman Stoke Damerel 9 523 )
which leaves these 2 couples
Dobbs John Stoke Damerel 9 523
FARLEY Susanna Stoke Damerel 9 523
Stevens George Edward Stoke Damerel 9 523 <<<<<
Gudridge Mary Stoke Damerel 9 523 <<<<
I also found a possible John Dobbs with wife Susan in 1851 in portsea,
although he is a chelsea pensioner the children are all under 4, and Susan is only 32
going back to the William Ledger marriage....
Dec 1859, Stoke Damerel 5b 681
Fanny Clarke Oct-Nov-Dec 1859 Stoke Damerel Devonshire
Edmund Knight Oct-Nov-Dec 1859 Stoke Damerel Devonshire
William Ledger Oct-Nov-Dec 1859 Stoke Damerel Devonshire <<<<
George Moon Oct-Nov-Dec 1859 Stoke Damerel Devonshire
Mary Stevens Oct-Nov-Dec 1859 Stoke Damerel Devonshire <<<<
there are 4 possible George Stevens deaths in Stoke Damerel 1849-1865,
unfortunately its too early for ages to show on the death regs.. plus many many more elsewhere! -
Message 18
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Saturday, 3rd September 2011
Thanks for your perseverance jc. Nothing quite pans out does it
Please don't waste too much time on it, it's not imperative I find out, just trying to link people together.
I do have another Aunt linked to the same family but will leave that for another day
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Message 19
Posted by jc (U1902680) on Saturday, 3rd September 2011
square peg and round hole comes to mind Tourmie....
what's wrong with my research that I did while you guys in the UK were fast asleep...? a Second marriage to a Ledger fits perfectly with the evidence you already have, unless of course you have more that we don't know about
Unless you are prepared to order in Parish records or slash out on Certs, you are not going to get to the bottom of the relationship. -
Message 20
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Saturday, 3rd September 2011
I'm so sorry for not understanding jc. I have read over everything again and if I have understood properly this time you are saying Mary married previously and the marriage to Ledger is her second and she married under the name Mary Stevens.
Thank you for your time. I did not realise you weren't in the UK.
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