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Family of Arthur Dewey/Dewye
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Message 1.Β
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Monday, 22nd August 2011
I am trying to track down the marriage or births of subsequent children to an Arthur Dewey(Dewye) who was born in Bentley, Hampshire in 1881. I have been unable to find him on the 1901 and 1911 censuses nor a marriage for him. Arthur died on the 24th December 1953 in West Middlesex Hospital, Isleworth and the death certificate indicates that the informant was a J F Cummins, son-in-law. I have been unable to locate a marriage of him to a Dewey(Dewye) either so any help or advice would be gratefully appreciated.
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Message 2
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Could this be the marriage of a daughter? J F could be John T.
Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
Cummins John T Dewey Brentford 3a 519
Dewey Lillian E Cummins Brentford 3a 519 -
Message 3
Posted by Windsurfing_Widow (U14179138) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Have found a possible marriage for the daughter which I cannot post as she could still be alive. Search for Cummins q2 1952 in Camberwell district.
You should also then be able to find the daughter's birth registered in Grimsby district Q3 1930. -
Message 4
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Have you got his parents/siblings names from an earlier census?
There is one in Surrey in 1901 parents Frederick and Elizabeth sister Helen.
Is Bentley near Southampton as it just gives Southampton as place of birth
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Message 5
Posted by Windsurfing_Widow (U14179138) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Tourmie
I don't think so. That is a J T Cummins and there is also a marriage to a J F Cummins which is more likely. -
Message 6
Posted by Windsurfing_Widow (U14179138) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
For reference:
1. Arthur with his family in 1891:
DEWYE, William Head Married M 52 1839 Shepherd Selbourne Hampshire
DEWYE, Jane Wife Married F 51 1840 Newton Hampshire
DEWYE, Frank Son Single M 14 1877 Agricultural Labourer Bentley Hampshire
DEWYE, Frederick Son M 11 1880 Scholar Bentley Hampshire
DEWYE, Arthur Son M 9 1882 Scholar Bentley Hampshire
DEWYE, Emily Jane Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Bentley Hampshire
RG number: RG12 Piece: 952 Folio: 4 Page: 1
Registration District: Alton Sub District: Binsted Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Bentley
Civil Parish: Bentley Municipal Borough: Address: Copyholds, Bentley Street, Bentley County: Hampshire
2. His birth:
Name: DEWYE, Arthur
Registration District: Alton
County: Hampshire
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume No: 2C
Page No:164
3. His death:
Name: DEWEY, Arthur
Registration District: Ealing
County: London
Year of Registration: 1953
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 72
Volume No: 5E
Page No: 209 -
Message 7
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Welll, looking further, there is a marriage in Grimsby Sep 1927 for a Percy Dewey and a Gladys Howe.
There's a possible Percy b about 20 miles inland from Grimsby.
Births Mar 1902
Dewey Percy Glanford B. 7a 696
Perhaps the informant was the grandson-in-law? What do you think?
But........
1911
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY PERCY M 1902 9 Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY ARTHUR M 1875 36 Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY ARTHUR SYDNEY M 1901 10 Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY CLARICE F 1910 1 Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY EVA CLARA F 1878 33 Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY FRANK M 1905 6 Glanford Brigg Lincolnshire
Wonder where Arthur says he was born. I can only use the free search on the 1911. -
Message 8
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Possibly altered his age upwards - he would only have been 18 and Clara would have been 21 (going by the 1911 census)
Marriages Sep 1899
Camm Eva Clara Glanford B. 7a 1434 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Dewey Arthur Glanford B. 7a 1434 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Johnson Frances Annie Glanford B. 7a 1434
McUrich Edwin Barclay Glanford B. 7a 1434 -
Message 9
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
mmmh
possibly not the right Arthur above and in the 1911
1901 England Census
Name: Arthur Dewey
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eva Clara Dewey
Gender: Male
Where born: Barton On Humber, Lincolnshire, England <<<<<<<
Civil parish: Barton On Humber
Ecclesiastical parish: Barton on Humber St Mary
Town: Barton On Humber
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub-registration district: Barton
Piece: 3108
Folio: 45
Page Number: 24
Name Age
Arthur Dewey 26
Eva Clara Dewey 23
Arthur Sidney Dewey 8
back to the drawing board I think. -
Message 10
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Hmmm this is a difficult one.
I wonder if his wife had a daughter who married a Cummins so she wouldn't have been born with the surname Dewey.
There are a couple of Arthur marriages in Hampshire.
Arthur Samuel South Stoneham 1901 to Ellen Minns or Lily Rose Newman
Arthur Herbert Portsmouth 1905 to Bessie Winnicott or Hebe Mary C Banks
Any occupation on the death certificate that might help? -
Message 11
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
For information, his parents and sister (for the spelling of the name)
1901 England Census
Name: Emily Dewsy
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Dewsy
Mother's name: June Dewsy
Gender: Female
Where born: Bentley, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Bentley
Ecclesiastical parish: Bentley St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Alton
Sub-registration district: Binsted
Piece: 1100
Folio: 5
Page Number: 2
Name Age
William Dewsy 62 ag lab
June Dewsy 61
Emily Dewsy 16 -
Message 12
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Tourmie, I agree this is a tricky one as evidenced by the other responses. In answer to your questions Arthur's parents were William and Jane Dewey from Bentley in Hampshire and he had 10 siblings. Bentley is close to Alton and is a considerable distance away from Southampton so I think that rules out the one found having been born in Southampton.
The marriage you have found of J T Cummins to Lillian Dewey in Brentford could be a possibility as Arthur's son-in-law lived at Ealing at the time of his death but not sure whether this is in the Brentford area. I note however that Windsurfing Widow suggests there is a marriage to a J F Cummins but I do not have details.
Arthur's occupation given on his death certificate is Army Pensioner so don't know whether this helps. -
Message 13
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Yes I've just checked and Ealing is in the Brentford registration district
I can't find any other Cummins/Dewey marriages that might fit. T's and F's are easily mistaken when written down. I take it the F came from the death certificate only? -
Message 14
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
W-W, Many thanks for the information. I will check this marriage out and see if I can find a connection to the Arthur's family I am searching for.
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Message 15
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
Silvery, I appreciate your searching but unfortunately I don't think the Arthur you have found information for is the right one as my Arthur was born in 1881 in Bentley in Hampshire and neither ties up with the family from Glanford, Lincs. If however you have any further thoughts I would be interested in the details.
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Message 16
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Tuesday, 23rd August 2011
That makes me even more confident that the marriage you found is likely to be the right one. As assumed the middle initial of F has come from the informant's name on the certified copy death certificate (which is typed) but as middle names do get mixed up I will pursue my research on the basis that this is the correct marriage and see where this leads.
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Message 17
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Wednesday, 24th August 2011
Would be handy to have that marriage certificate wouldn't it to see her fathers name.
Having said that we should be able to find a birth for her but where and when those are the questions.
Likely she was born before 1911 so might be traceable on that census?
There's a Martha Lilian in Brentford aged 9........nope scratch that she is with a Charles and Louisa.
Will keep looking. -
Message 18
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Wednesday, 24th August 2011
Yep, discounted that Glanford Brigg Arthur in message 9. Was using the information from the 1952 marriage etc
Marriage 1929
Marriages Dec 1929
Cummins John T to Dewey Brentford 3a 519
Dewey Lillian E to Cummins Brentford 3a 519
So looking for births in freebmd between 1898 and 1915
Births Sep 1908
Dewey Lilian Elizabeth S Hackney 1b 453
Dewey Lilian Emily Dover 2a 1169
Lilian E S Dewey marriage search 1924-55
Marriages Sep 1934
Dewey Lilian E S to Fryer Islington 1b 474
I was beginning to wonder if Arthur was in the army in South Africa or India in the years 1891/1901+
Nothing's fitting in these searches, there's a Lillian Mabel Dewey (two LLs) 1906 no Lillian E
1911
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY LILLIAN E L F 1908 3 Hackney London
mmmh
she appears to be with
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY ALBERT H M 1910 4 MONTHS Hackney London
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY AMELIA F 1849 62 Hackney London
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY EDWARDS C M 1905 6 Hackney London
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY ERNEST A M 1903 8 Hackney London
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY FLORENCE F 1880 31 Hackney London
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY FLORENCE M A F 1907 4 Hackney London
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY WILLIAM J M 1879 32 Hackney London
HOUSEHOLD DEWEY WILLIAM W E M 1901 10 Hackney London
No Arthur. -
Message 19
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Wednesday, 24th August 2011
That's my next step to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate to establish the father's name and if correct should pick up her age unless it was around the time they used to put "of full age". I have subseqently tried to find a birth or census entry for Lillian thinking it would be easy but have had no success so this is becoming more of a mystery by the minute.
Will let you know the position once the marriage certificate arrives but in the meantime if you come up with anything else such information will be gratefully received. -
Message 20
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Wednesday, 24th August 2011
The marriage in 1929 looks promising so I am applying for the marriage certificate which will give the name of Lillian's father in the hope that will show it is Arthur in which case it will show her age and I can take it from there. If that proves not to be correct the mystery continues.
I hadn't considered the prospect that Arthur may have been serving abroad at the time of the 1901 census (I have found him on the 1891 census when he was a scholar aged 9) so this has opened up another avenue for me to explore. -
Message 21
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Wednesday, 24th August 2011
I hope it gives some answers juantuss. Do come back and let us know the result.
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Message 22
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Wednesday, 24th August 2011
I certainly will and thanks for your help so far.
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Message 23
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Tuesday, 6th September 2011
I have now received the marriage certificate which shows John Thomas Cummins married Lilian Emily Dewey on the 2nd December 1929. The name of Lilian's father was indeed an Arthur Dewey whose occupation at the time was a Master Confectioner. Still not 100% proof that it is the same one but highly promising.
Lilian's age was given as 21 years which leads to her being born in 1908. This could well be the person whose birth was registered in Dover so I have applied for a copy of this birth certificate for more information which may help to clear this mystery up. I haven't been able to find Lilian on the 1911 census and as Arthur can't be found either I am wondering whether they may have been abroad at that time.
I am still hoping there may have been a will for Arthur which will provide valuable information.
jt -
Message 24
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 6th September 2011
Emily Pankhurst had support for sleeping out on the night of the census so as not to be counted so many people are missing from it who supported her.
A possibility
Edna -
Message 25
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Wednesday, 7th September 2011
Would that have included men as well who would have given her support? That could be a reason for Arthur's absence but Lilian would have been too young.
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Message 26
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Wednesday, 7th September 2011
That would depend on how strong the family supported the cause for womens rights, but it may not have been the reason it could be a misrtranscription of the Family name which often happens.
Edna -
Message 27
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Wednesday, 7th September 2011
Sounds promising for the marriage cert
Fingers crossed the birth is the right one as well. We don't know her mother yet do we so that will be helpful. -
Message 28
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Wednesday, 7th September 2011
Yes I live in hope that the birth certificate is the right one which will give the name of the mother and subsequently lead me towards tracking down the elusive Arthur. I will keep you informed.
jt -
Message 29
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Wednesday, 7th September 2011
Just in case that birth in Dover is correct there is this possible marriage in Kent.
A Lily bride may well have named a daughter Lilian.
Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
Coe Samuel Joseph Elham 2a 2396
DEWEY Arthur Elham 2a 2396
RUSSELL Alma Elham 2a 2396
SHERWOOD Lily Matilda M Elham 2a 2396 -
Message 30
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Thursday, 8th September 2011
That's very encouraging Tourmie especially as the date of marriage ties up nicely with Lil(l)ian's year of birth of 1908 and thanks for the info. Provided the birth certificate shows her parents as Arthur and Alma/Lily then will apply for the Kent marriage certificate for verification (or otherwise). Feel that we are getting close to arriving at the solution but not holding my breath just yet.
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Message 31
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Thursday, 8th September 2011
Can't understand why I didn't find that marriage before but I guess wasn't looking in that part of the country at the time.
No idea where they are all huddled in 1911 but they are on the coast so may have nipped off somewhere.
Look forward to hearing what the birth certificate shows and if the marriage is worth pursuing. -
Message 32
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Thursday, 8th September 2011
Yes, the whereabouts of them all in 1911 is yet another mystery to be tackled another day but hopefully the birth certificate will reveal all.
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Message 33
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
The birth certificate of Lilian has now arrived and has proved to be very enlightening. The birth occurred in Dover on the 7th August 1908 and the father is shown as Arthur Dewey whose occupation was Corporal in the Army Service Corps which ties up nicely with the occupation shown on his death certificate. Her mother was Lilian Matilda Marjorie Dewey formerly Sherwood. Looks like this is now approaching a satisfactory conclusion to the mystery but will probably request the marriage certificate to check the age of Arthur and his father's name just to satisfy myself that I have found the right man.
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Message 34
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
great stuff. It's all working out well I am pleased 
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Message 35
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
Me too and thanks for your help.
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Message 36
Posted by juantuss (U14739451) on Tuesday, 27th September 2011
Just to tidy this thread up by confirming the marriage certificate of Arthur Dewey/Lily Sherwood verifies that he is the right person I have been looking for as the age and father's name ties up exactly. Can now go ahead and track down his descendants.
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