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Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 1.Μύ
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Friday, 12th August 2011
Copied and pasted from the welcome thread..................
Message 15, in reply to message 1.
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
I have just registered. I have 107 members in my family tree but I am now stuck. It doesnt help when my G Grandads were Jones on my fathers side and Owen on my mothers side. However on my paternal G grandmothers side I have the name Blakemore and on my maternal G Grandmothers side I have the name White. On the White side I have traced back to 1836 Mathew White born in Ireland possibly Dublin married to a Margaret. On the Blakemore side I have John Blakemore born in Basford Derby Derbyshire Nottingham in 1841 but therafter in Crewe Cheshirwe. He must have been married twice,second marriage to Margaret McKeon borm 1853.. Unable to trace first marriage.
The rest of the Blakemore side all seem to have been born in Nantwich Cheshire. The Jones side are from Baguley Cheshire. On the Owen side my G Grandfather was Owen but I was told that either the name Owen was an adopted name or the family fell out and the family name was changed and should have been Catherall from Cheshire. Has anyone any ideas how I can carry on . There is no one left in my family who knows anything.Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 2
Posted by BoothHunter (U14812392) on Friday, 12th August 2011
It's probably a bit early to suggest having a large whiskey before you carry on with that one!!!!
Break the info' down a bit...set it out in some order then decide on which member of the family line you want to search then post for help!
Booth Hunter
p.s Where do all the flowers come from? I've just sussed how to do a smiley!Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 3
Posted by margaret (U14956893) on Friday, 12th August 2011
have you tried going on family search.org sometimes that throws something up and it free
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Message 4
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Friday, 12th August 2011
Okey dokey
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Message 5
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Friday, 12th August 2011
I have but I think I will try again just in case I've missed something. Thank you.
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Message 6
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Friday, 12th August 2011
hache,
If you start by posting your brick walls one at a time then people will help you unravel them and get you on the move.
Welcome to the board.
BoothtHunter.
If you want to post chatty messages will you add them on the bar where it is not considered off topic, come and join us for a
<cake and a chat and we will tell you all about the smileys and flowers too
The bar thread will help all the new members get to know us and how the board runs as well as getting you through premod 20 messages befor they appear right away. visit the Bucket and Spade bar.
EdnaLink to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 7
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Friday, 12th August 2011
< I was told that either the name Owen was an adopted name or the family fell out and the family name was changed and should have been Catherall from Cheshire. Has anyone any ideas how I can carry on . There is no one left in my family who knows anything. >
This might suggest some illegitimacy (not as unusual as you think in the 19th century) or a couple living as married when they weren't/couldn't (often because of an existing spouse) and children being registered in one surname but using another
do you want to give us a few more details (first names, dates, locations in Cheshire) and we can see what we dig up?Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 8
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
Hello
My Grandfather was Stanley Owen born 1897 in Seacombe /Poulton Wirral Chershire and married 26/12/1925 to my Nan Constance Wilhemena White at St Pauls church Seacombe Wirral Cheshire He died in 1954 so I never met him.
He had a brother called Claude Barrington Owen born on 15/4/1895 who married a Sara Marks Mermelstein from Soho in London. He died in 1971.
They had a sister Dolly as I knew her, perhaps her name was Dorothy ,who was born in 1899. I believe my G Grandad to be called Charles Owen possibly born in West Derby Liverpool and his wife could have been Annie. That is wher I am a bit confused as my mum who sadly died young in 1976 had cousins Eileen ,Olive and a male who had the surname Catherall. Although I was told my Grandad had changed his s/name by deedpoll his father would not be Charles Owen. Sorry this is quite confusing.Dollys G daughter said that the 3 named above were adopted by the same family. I had never heard of that before.
Hopr you can throw some light on this.Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 9
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
Possible Owen on 1901 census with a sister Dorothy:-
OWEN, Annie Head Widow F 36 1865 Living On Own Means
Liverpool
Lancashire
OWEN, Claud Son Single M 6 1895
Egremont
Cheshire
OWEN, Stanley Son Single M 4 1897
Egremont
Cheshire
OWEN, Dorothy Daughter Single F 2 1899
Egremont
Cheshire
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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3403 Folio:
167 Page:
1
Registration District:
Birkenhead Sub District:
Wallasey Enumeration District:
21 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Liscard or Egremont St John's
Civil Parish:
Liscard Municipal Borough:
Address:
19, Woodhall Avenue, Liscard County:
CheshireLink to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 10
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
I think this one may help you:-
CATHERALL, Elizabeth Head Widow F 68 1843 Liverpool Lanc
CATHERALL, Thomas Son Single M 29 1882 House Painter Decorator Liverpool Lanc
CATHERALL, William Son Single M 30 1881 Shop Porter Liverpool Lanc
CATHERALL, William Allan Son Single M 21 1890 Butcher Assistant Stalybridge Lan
OWEN, Claude Grandchild Single M 16 1895 Seacombe Cheshire VIEW
OWEN, Stanley Grandchild Single M 14 1897 Seacombe Cheshire VIEW
OWEN, Dorothy Grandchild Single F 12 1899 School Seacombe Cheshire
CATHERALL, Walter Son Married M 33 1878 House Painter Liverpool Lancs
CATHERALL, Elizabeth Ann Daughter In Law Married
7 years F 27 1884 Liverpool Lancs
CATHERALL, Dorothy Grandchild F 5 1906 School Liverpool Lancs
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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22094 Reference:
RG14PN22094 RG78PN1310B RD452 SD3 ED42 SN25
Registration District:
Birkenhead Sub District:
Wallasey Enumeration District:
42 Parish:
Poulton cum SeacombeLink to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 11
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
Thank you so very much for both your replies. This is very helpful and ties the two names together. My G uncle Claud owned a butchers shop in Poulton Road Seacombe Cheshire before he was gassed in the war. He lived but lost a lung and was confined to his bed on oxygen I wonder if William Catherall the buthers assistant worked for him. Just a thought.
Claud's middle name was Barrington which seems quite unusual. My mum's middle name was also Barrington. I only found out quite recently it was because she was born on his birthday. I have photos of him as he gave my Mum away when she married.
Thanks again this is very much appreciated.Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 12
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
This might also shed some light on the matter
Name: Claude Barrington Catherall
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1894
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 454
I would guess Annie Owen may not have been married to the father?Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 13
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
Name: Stanley Catherall
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1896
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire, Merseyside
Volume: 8a
Page: 609
Name: Dorothy Catherall
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1898
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire, Merseyside
Volume: 8a
Page: 555Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 14
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
Possible death for Annie ........ which would mean why the children were with the Catherells in 1911
Deaths Sep 1905 (>99%)
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OWEN Annie 44 Runcorn 8a 147Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 15
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
Here's Annie on 1891 - not married
I cannot find a marriage for her to a Mr Owen
Name: Annie Catherall
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Catherall
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanc, Liverpool
Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cyprian
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2993
Folio: 72
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Catherall 42
Annie Catherall 22
Walter Catherall 14
Thomas Catherall 9
Lillie Catherall 8Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 16
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
I am not saying that this marriage is one of your families but when a middle name continues through a family like your "Barrington" does if often comes from the maternal side of the family like this one would:-
Marriages Mar 1851 (>99%)
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Barrington Martha G Boughton 19 48
Owen Peter G Boughton 19 48Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 17
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
It is possible the fathers surname was Barrington
EdnaLink to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 18
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
Thank you very much for all of this information. Perhaps Charles Owen did adopt the 3 of them but I wonder who their father was and who Charles Owen was..Im going to write this all up now and see what i can make of it all.
Thanks again.Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 19
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 14th August 2011
Make it in a tree form of who is who father and mother and grandparents and so on until things are confirmed,
Maybe tomorrow you will get further information and Charles may come to light but if you think of anything please add it as any bit of info helps,
EdnaLink to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 20
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Monday, 15th August 2011
a few bits for you
Name: Claude Barrington Owen
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1894
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1971
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Wallasey
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 1720
poss marriage for him
Name: Claude B Owen
Spouse Surname: Mermelstein
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1919
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 1520
bride = sarah m mermelstein
he also has a ww1 service record
Name: Claude Owen
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Age at enlistment: 20
Birth Parish: New Brighton
Birth County: Cheshire, England
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 16786
Regiment Name: Cheshire Regt
Number of images: 13
which has interesting bits in it
and another bit with a physical description and giving his next of kin as stanley owen
Name: Claud Owen
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Age at enlistment: 20
Birth Parish: New Brighton
Birth County: Cheshire, England
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 16786
Regiment Name: Cheshire Regt
Number of images: 5
got to go now but can send copies of images to an email address ( cant be given on here - will need contact elsewhere). will look more later.Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 21
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Monday, 15th August 2011
his first service record includes a letter from a mrs e catterall enquiring about his wherabouts as she had not heard from him for some time and had heard he was wounded.
mrs e catterall is also the person at the address ( 17 clarence road, seaforth) given for any service pay to be sent to and she is down as grandmother .
this would all fit with the earlier census info given.
it looks like the children were born catterall to annie when unmarried. it would be interesting to see what is put on birth certificates of the three.
annie is using name owen in 1901 and saying widow. is that for respectability? or is annie owen in 1901 the annie of charles and annie who adopted them and the mother could have been another female catterall????Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 22
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 15th August 2011
Olive, your mother's cousin referred to earlier, is I think the child of William Allen Catherall. There are quite a few other siblings to that marriage, but not an Eileen. William A is himself interesting as he's listed as Elizabeth's son on 1911, despite there being another son William there, but on a previous census he is William Allen, nephew
I found two Eileens in the north west from different eras (30s and 40s), one in Liverpool, daughter of a William and a different wife and another later one, father FrederickLink to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 23
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Monday, 15th August 2011
It would seem odd that there are 3 children dont you think without there being a marriage
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Message 24
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
not necessarily. Unusual perhaps. In my OH tree his g gran had three children by father unknown before she married and had three more by someone different ( he came into country later so know he wasnt father of first three. ).
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Message 25
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
Hache it happened more than people like to believe. Some due to the parents being married before and divorce was expensive, although not being divorced didn't stop people going to another parish to marry.
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Message 26
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
i think the way forward would be to get stanleys birth cert if you dont have it . that should confirm name of mother even if no father is mentioned.
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Message 27
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
Thank you. I am going to obtain Stanlry's birth certificate.I dont suppose you can trace who Elizabeths husband was.
I looked on Ancestry last night and there was someone whos GG Grandad was William Allan Catherrall. He said his mother was Annie who had many children to different fathers using 2 other surnames, Owen and another. I am going to look at that again now especially as he has been shown on censuses as a nephew and son of Elizabeth
Thanks again . I just wish my Aunt was alive. She was the last in the family but died 2 years ago. She would have loved to have found the answer re the names even though its not complete yet. but I do have 2 cousins who will be interested when I've finished.Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 28
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Wednesday, 17th August 2011
Hello Hache,
Please only take what you find on ancestry trees as a guide. There are so many errors on there that we all advise to verify the information yourself with the purchase of certs or parish registers before adding the person to your own tree.Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 29
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Wednesday, 17th August 2011
I dont know if you have the 1871 census to look at but there is an Elizabeth born 1843 spouse Thomas Catherall. There is so much info that is missing ie 1881 census.
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Message 30
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Wednesday, 17th August 2011
I have the 1871 and 1881 census and couldn't find Elizabeth and Thomas.
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Message 31
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Wednesday, 17th August 2011
Census 1871
Name: Elizabeth Cattrale
[Elizabeth Catherall]
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Cattrale
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 193
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Cattrale 40
Elizabeth Cattrale 28
Annie Cattrale 8
Ruth Cattrale 5
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Annie baptism
Name: Annie Cathrall
Birth Date: 30 Sep 1862
Baptism Date: 18 Oct 1863
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's name: Thomas Cathrall - painter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Cathrall
Ruth baptism
Name: Ruth Catterall
Birth Date: 27 Jul 1866
Baptism Date: 6 Jan 1867
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's name: Thomas Catterall – painter edge hill
Mother's name: Elizabeth Catterall
Ruth death
Name: Ruth Cathrall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1874
Age at Death: 9
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
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Message 32
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Wednesday, 17th August 2011
1881 census
Name: Thomas Catherall
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizth. Catherall
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool
Civil parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 47 Winifred St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: House Painter
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
ED, institution, or vessel: 60
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Catherall 57
Elizth. Catherall 48
Anne Catherall 18
Florence Catherall 6
Walter Catherall 4
Willie Catherall 2
George Formby brother in law 20
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3710; Folio: 11; Page: 21; GSU roll: 1341888.
Name: Elizabeth Formby
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1862
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 359
groom = Thomas cathrall
Florence
baptism
Name: Florence Nightingale Catherall
Birth Date: 4 Sep 1874
Baptism Date: 3 Jul 1876
Parish: Liverpool St Peter
Father's name: Thomas Catherall - painter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Catherall
Marriage
Name: Florence Nightingale Catherall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1875
Age: 29
Father's name: Thomas Catherall
Spouse's Name: Robert Thelwell
Spouse's Age: 40
Spouse's Father's Name: John Thelwell
Marriage Date: 1 Aug 1904
Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Walter
Baptism
Name: Walter Catherall
Birth Date: abt 1879
Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1879
Parish: Edge Hill St Catherine
Father's name: Thomas Catherall - painter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Catherall
marrriage
Name: Walter Catherall
Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 26
Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1904
Parish: Liverpool St Simon
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Ann King
Father's name: Thomas Catherall - painter
Spouse Father's Name: John King
Poss death
Name: Walter Catherall
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1954
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Wallasey
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 592
William
birth
Name: Willie Catherall
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1879
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 628
Baptism – note same day as walter above
Name: Willie Farmer Catherall
Birth Date: abt 1879
Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1879
Parish: Edge Hill St Catherine
Father's name: Thomas Catherall - painter
Mother's name: Elizabeth CatherallLink to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 33
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Wednesday, 17th August 2011
the only thing about the 1881 cen sus is that the parents ages are a bit off.
poss death for thomas
Name: Thomas Catherall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1889
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
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Message 34
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Wednesday, 17th August 2011
the death would fit in with elizabeth being a widow in 1891
the other chidlren with elizabeth in 1891 census are
Lillie
Birth
Name: Lily Catherall
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1883
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 571
Baptism
Name: Lilly Catherall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1883
Christening Date: 25 Aug 1889
Christening Place: Edge Hill, Lancashire, England
Age at Christening: 6
Father's name: Thomas Catherall - painter
Mother's name: Elizabeth
Death
Name: Lilly Catherall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1902
Age at Death: 19
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 438
thomas
birth
Name: Thomas Catherall
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1881
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 543
Baptism – I know birth says 1889 but Baptised with and same address as lily above - the "9" does have a big blob so wondering if it should be "1"
Name: Thomas Catherall
Birth Date: 28 May 1889
Baptism Date: 25 Aug 1889
Parish: Edge Hill St Cyprian
Father's name: Thomas Catherall - painter
Mother's name: Elizabeth CatherallLink to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 35
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Wednesday, 17th August 2011
< I looked on Ancestry last night and there was someone whos GG Grandad was William Allan Catherrall. He said his mother was Annie who had many children to different fathers using 2 other surnames, Owen and another. I am going to look at that again now especially as he has been shown on censuses as a nephew and son of Elizabeth >
William was b 1890 but is not with either Elizabeth Catherall or Annie Catherall/Owen on 1891 which may suggest another
Possible birth from Cheshire BMD 1890 in the right district for Stalybridge
ALLEN Willie Dukinfield Tameside mmn CARTHERALL DUK/115/66Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 36
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Friday, 19th August 2011
the death would fit in with elizabeth being a widow in 1891
the other chidlren with elizabeth in 1891 census are
Lillie
Birth
Name: Lily Catherall
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1883
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 571
Baptism
Name: Lilly Catherall
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1883
Christening Date: 25 Aug 1889
Christening Place: Edge Hill, Lancashire, England
Age at Christening: 6
Father's name: Thomas Catherall - painter
Mother's name: Elizabeth
Death
Name: Lilly Catherall
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1902
Age at Death: 19
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 438
thomas
birth
Name: Thomas Catherall
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1881
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 543
Baptism – I know birth says 1889 but Baptised with and same address as lily above - the "9" does have a big blob so wondering if it should be "1"
Name: Thomas Catherall
Birth Date: 28 May 1889
Baptism Date: 25 Aug 1889
Parish: Edge Hill St Cyprian
Father's name: Thomas Catherall - painter
Mother's name: Elizabeth Catherall
Μύ Thank you ever so much for this. Before my Aunt died she did say that she did remember a Grandad Formby but didnt have any idea which side of the family it was or his name or if he was related to George Formby. (I doubt this as I looked up the history of Georgr Formby and it was not his birth name). This seems to confirm that there was a Formby in the family. Ill write this up but I dont think it would be her Grandad . Thank you again.The information you have given me is brilliant.Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 37
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Friday, 19th August 2011
This does seem to suggest George is Elizabeth's brother, despite the 20 year plus age gap between them
Marriages Sep 1861 Manchester 8d 358 (>99%)
Cathrall Thomas
Cathrell Thomas
Formby Elizabeth
Higham Thomas
ROSCOW Mary Ann
Half brother I think
1851
Name: Donald Formby
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's name: Donald Formby
Mother's name: Elizabeth Formby
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 133
Piece: 2182
Folio: 26
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Donald Formby 36
Elizabeth Formby 40
Elizth Formby 8 <<<
John Formby 7
Donald Formby 5
Elizabeth Jeddon 42
1861
Name: Donald Formby
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Formby
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Piece: 2710
Folio: 2
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Donald Formby 47
Margaret Formby 27
Donald Formby 15
George Formby 11 MO
Sarah Formby 25
Mary Ellen Formby 22
Teresa Curran 21Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 38
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
I think the two Annie's are different
Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 39
Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 1st September 2011
Thank you for all your info. How would I be able to send you my email address. Although Claude was my G uncle he was like a Grandad as my grandad died when my mum was 15 and Claude gave her away at her wedding. With all the information I have recd I have gone back until 1811.
Thank you againLink to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 40
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
Hi
We cannot put email addresses on here nor is there a PM messaging system. Most of us are also members of another site which does have a pm system whereby you can send an email address. the site is r**tschat (substitute oo for the **s). . most of us tried to keep the same name or very similar so we would recognise each other. mine is vronlady.
i htink you need to make three posts before you can make a pm though so the best way is to go into the :
common room totally off topic section
and make three quick posts just introducing yourself etc. then you can make a pm.Link to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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Message 41
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Friday, 2nd September 2011
vron it has to be on the main board as the common room totally off topic bit does not count postings so use the New members thread and just say hell and stuff to get the three messages in.
www.rootschat.com
EdnaLink to this forum: Posted by hache (U14958434) on Thursday, 11th August 2011 (13 Hours Ago)
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