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Posted by siamesewillow (U3516812) on Monday, 13th June 2011
Hoping someone may come up with something that we could not find before.
James Langston married Mary Ann Major in 1874 Evesham, On the 1881 census Mother in law is living with the family, her name is Esther Stait born 1824 Guilting Gloucestershire.
Esther Stait as far as I can see married twice. Her first name being Esther Hawker, married John Greening in 1843, John died in 1852.
In 1864 Esther married Thomas Stait. But can find no record of a birth for Mary Ann Greening, nor a marriage to somebody called Major,
Help please
siamese
Siamese, I am a bit puzzled as to why you are looking for a birth for Mary Ann Greening(should that be MAJOR?) as you state the Mary Ann Major Married James LANGTON
Births Sep 1843
Greening Mary Ann Winchcombe 11 484
Mary Ann's maiden name could be Major, but where from? her mother seemed to have married twice to a Stait and a Greening. I working on the idea that Mary Ann may have married before. Also cannot find a birth for a mary ann Major.
siamese
Siamese, assuming that you actually need the birth of Mary Ann MAJOR there is this one in CHARD.
Sept.Q 1859 5c 475
There is a birth for a Mary Ann in 1848
Births Mar 1848 (>99%)
GREENING Mary Ann Winchcombe 11 503
but where is she in 1851?
siamese
But according to the census she was born in Winchomb Gloucestershire
siamese
Could this be her in 1851 census:-
ASHMEAD, John Head Married M 34 1817 Ag Lab
Charleton Kings
Gloucestershire VIEW
ASHMEAD, S Wife Married F 27 1824 Seamstress
Churchstanway
Gloucestershire VIEW
ASHMEAD, J Son M 5 1846 Scholar
Elmore
Gloucestershire VIEW
ASHMEAD, G Son M 2 1849
Elmore
Gloucestershire VIEW
ASHMEAD, R A Daughter F 0 (9 MOS) 1851
Elmore
Gloucestershire VIEW
GREENING, Marianne Visitor F 12 1839 Nurse Girl
South Hamlett
Gloucestershire VIEW
GUILDING, George Inmate Widower M 72 1779 Cordwainder Journ
Elmore
Gloucestershire VIEW
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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1962 Folio:
547 Page:
12
Registration District:
Gloucester Sub District:
South Hamlet Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish:
Elmore Municipal Borough:
Address:
Elmore Court Mansion, Elmore County:
Gloucestershire
Possible birth:-
Name: GREENING, Mary Ann
Registration District: Help Gloucester
County: Gloucestershire
Year of Registration: 1838
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 11
Page No: 315
Siamese, James Langston had been married previously as per his entry on the 1871 census.
LANGSTON, James Head M 23 1848 Worcestershire
LANGSTON, Winfred Wife F 23 1848 Worcestershire
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RG number: RG10 Piece: 3059 Folio: 28 Page: 10
Registration District: Evesham Sub District: Evesham
Enumeration District: 9
Civil Parish:
St Lawrence Municipal Borough:
Evesham Address:
Littleworth, St Lawrence, Evesham County:
Worcestershire
This is the marriage info so perhaps Esther Staite was a connection through Winnifred rather than his second wife Mary Ann.
Name: LANGSTONE, James
Registration District: Evesham
County: Worcestershire
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume No: 6C
Page No: 574
James Langstone married HEMMING, Winifred
Also on the 1851 census there are at least 3 Mary Ann Greening's of the right age in Winchcomb but none the daughter of an Esther.
Pheno
Just a thought but if Esther didn't marry John Greening until 1843 then is Marianne/Mary Ann, if born about 1839 as these results are suggesting, likely to have been registered as a Greening or in Esther's maiden name of Hawker/Harker?
Pheno
This is the couple on the 1881 census.
Bertie I do not think Mary Ann would of been married before 1848
Name: James Langston
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A. Langston
Gender: Male
Where born: Evesham, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: Bengeworth
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 16 The Leys
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Evesham
Sub-registration district: Evesham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2924
Folio: 69
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
James Langston 36
Mary A. Langston 29
James Langston 4
Mary A. Langston 2
Esther Staite 64
Ernest Langston
Pheno,, Interesting but I do not think the marriage you found is correct age out
Name: James Langstone
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1841
Registration district: Evesham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Hereford and Worcester, Worcestershire
Volume: 18
Page: 360
James was born in 1841 not 1848.
But you were on the right line, James had married before he married Mary Ann, he married Sarah Perkins, they had a daughter but when James remarried in 1874 she stayed with her Grand parents.
Thanks for your help.
siamese
well this seems to be her in 1871
Name: Mary A Major
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Winchcombe, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Household schedule number: 17
Piece: 2672
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
John Mustoe 53
Agnes C Mustoe 46
Agnes M Mustoe 20
John F Mustoe 23
Catherine E Mustoe 20
Alice M Mustoe 14
Agnes E Wheatcroft 15
Catherine Stack 20
Mary A Major 19
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2672; Folio: 6; Page: 5; GSU roll: 835334
Esther 1871 Census:-
STAITE, Thomas, Head M 45 1826 Gloucestershire
STAITE, Esther, Wife F 54 1817 Gloucestershire
GREENING, Job, Wife's Son M 23 1848 Gloucestershire
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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
2656 Folio:
156 Page:
15
Registration District:
Winchcomb Sub District:
Guiting Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish:
Winchcombe Municipal Borough:
Address:
Grocer's Shop, Winchcombe County:
Gloucestershire
a birth but age slightly out
Name: Mary Major
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1855
Registration district: Winchcomb
Inferred County: Gloucestershire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 355
a poss for 1861??
Name: ?? Ann Major
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Winchcomb, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Winchcomb
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guiting
ED, institution, or vessel: Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 1792
Folio: 78
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Fowler 60
Emma Davis 33
Charles Cole 71
Elizabeth Ginlder 81
Emma Pamer 26
Job Robinson 45
Thomas Smith 70
Lydia Davis 12
William Chambers 74
Martha Lans 10
Mary Lane 10
Fanny Lane 8
Benjamin Wixey 73
John Hancock 66
Augusta Rind 21
Edward William Rind 3
James Rind 10 MO
Robert Ireland 72
George Herbert 60
Charlotte Lane 30
Elizabeth Lane 5
Henry Lane 2
Solomon Anniss 69
Amelia Whale 64
John Sherbourne 38
Ann Hughes 74
Walter Baylis 9
Thomas Bartlett 71
Emma Matthews 11
Elizabeth Hall 34
Henry Williams 12
William Williams 10
Robert Gillett 84
Joseph Stanley 82
Jacob James 73
Reeves 76
Harrison 56
Tarran 50
Peake 12
Peake 10
Major 62
Ireland 29
Ireland 1
Henwood 84
Ireland 82
Major 36
?? Ann Major 8
Major 3
Alcock 9
??Ah Radbourne 82
Andrews 66
Sprigg 74
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1792; Folio: 78; Page: 3; GSU roll: 542869
well this seems to be her in 1871
Name: Mary A Major
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Winchcombe, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Household schedule number: 17
Piece: 2672
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
John Mustoe 53
Agnes C Mustoe 46
Agnes M Mustoe 20
John F Mustoe 23
Catherine E Mustoe 20
Alice M Mustoe 14
Agnes E Wheatcroft 15
Catherine Stack 20
Mary A Major 19
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2672; Folio: 6; Page: 5; GSU roll: 835334
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Von could your Mary A Major have been born with that name see this one in 1861 census born Winchombe:-
MAJOR, James Head Married M 36 1825 Ag Lab
Winchcombe
Gloucestershire
MAJOR, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1826
Winchcombe
Gloucestershire
MAJOR, Mary Daughter F 12 1849
Winchcombe
Gloucestershire
MAJOR, Martha Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Winchcombe
Gloucestershire
MAJOR, Wm Son M 7 1854 Scholar
Winchcombe
Gloucestershire
MAJOR, James Son M 5 1856 Scholar
Winchcombe
Gloucestershire
MAJOR, John Son M 1 1860
Winchcombe
Gloucestershire
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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
1792 Folio:
16 Page:
26
Registration District:
Winchcomb Sub District:
1 Guiting Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Gloucester
Civil Parish:
Winchcombe Municipal Borough:
Winchcombe Address:
Gloucester Street, Winchcombe County:
Gloucestershire
We are presuming that Mary Ann was born a Greening and later married a Major then married Langston.
it is just that when esther married thomas strait in 1864 she married as esther major.
So Esther could of married a Major not a Greening?
siamese
it is confusing but i am just trying to work backwards one step at time
Name: Esther Major
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1864
Registration district: Winchcomb
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 656
one of grooms is thomas staite
Found a marriage
Esther Major April-May 1864 Winchomb
Staite Esther .....................................
Here's Esther as a Greening - all b Winchcomb. John is a baker
Name: Job Greening
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Greening
Mother's name: Esther Greening
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Winchcomb, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Winchcomb
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guyting
ED, institution, or vessel: 10c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Piece: 1971
Folio: 147
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
John Greening 41
Esther Greening 30
Esther Greening 8
Job Greening 2
So it looks like Mother and daughter in 1861 where in a work house.
In 1871 Mary Ann was a servant
Wander if Esther was a unmarried Mum or had she married some one called Major
esther in 1851 - married to john greening
Name: Job Greening
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Greening
Mother's name: Esther Greening
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Winchcomb, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Winchcomb
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guyting
ED, institution, or vessel: 10c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Piece: 1971
Folio: 147
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
John Greening 41
Esther Greening 30
Esther Greening 8
Job Greening 2
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1971; Folio: 147; Page: 6; GSU roll: 87371.
then 1861
Name: Job Greening
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Stepson
Mother's name: Esther Staite
Gender: Male
Where born: Gretton, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Winchcomb
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guiting
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 149
Piece: 1792
Folio: 65
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Staite 40
Esther Staite 40
Job Greening 12
Harry Culling 7 nephew born south australia "!!!!!
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1792; Folio: 65; Page: 26; GSU roll: 542869
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but she didnt marry actually him until 1864? so did she marry ? major and wasnt free to marry until then?
Another option for Mary on 1871 - she's fairly consistant in later censuses as b Winchcomb c 1852
Name: Mary Grening
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Winchcombe, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Winchcombe
Town: Winchcombe
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guiting
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 2656
Folio: 100
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Edmund Smith 43
Edmund Erne Wood 14
William Wilson Wood 6 Months
Mary Smith 78
Clara Anne Smith 35
Elizabeth Borwn 17
Mary Grening 17
well here is daughter esther ( fromthe 1851 census) in 1861 - with grandfather Hawker
Name: Esther Greening
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Gretton, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Winchcomb
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guiting
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Piece: 1792
Folio: 53
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Edmund Harker 75
Esther Greening 17
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1792; Folio: 53; Page: 2; GSU roll: 542869
Sorry wrote this wrong
Esther Major married 1864 to a Thomas Staite
Name: Esther Major
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1864
Registration district: Winchcomb
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 656
Another earlier marriage
Light Esther Winchcombe 11 637
MAJOR William Winchcombe 11 637
Is this not Mary's birth? Hannah oftn bcomes Ann!
Births Jun 1852 (>99%)
Greening Mary Hannah Winchcomb 6a 337
A death
Deaths Sep 1858 (>99%)
Major William Witney 3a 345
I'm now rather confused, Is Mary Ann Mary Ann Major or Mary Ann Greening? There does not appear to be a marriage between Mary Ann and someone called Major.
The 1861 original says that the Major aged 36 is a widow , and Charwoman there's a dark line down the side of the page blocking out the first names , though I can just read a ' ter ' Major above the ??Ann Major aged 8 so it's possible it is Esther
Looking at the Mrs Major in the workhouse - now she could be a Hester, however she's b Rowel
Think we have two people to confuse us!
H/Esther Light = Mrs Major?
Name: Hesther Light
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Power Guyting
Hundred: Kiftsgate (Lower Division)
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guiting
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 360
Book: 8
Folio: 21
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Light 40
Elizabeth Light 40
Hannah Light 15
Hesther Light 15
Jane Light 12
Honnor Light 9
Mark Light 7
Thomas Light 20
esther Hawker = Mrs Greening
Name: Esther Hawker
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Gender: Female
Where born: Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Bishops Cleeve
Hundred: Bishops Cleeve
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Cleeve
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 354
Book: 4
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hawker 45
Eliza Hawker 35
Job Hawker 15
Esther Hawker 14
Lydia Hawker 10
Eleanor Hawker 2
Eli Hawker 6 MO
Stephen Weaver 10
Who became whom after that, not sure!
As we have an Esther Major marrying Thomas in 1864, that would suggest she's nee Light. So who is with Thomas in 1861? Maybe he had two Esthers!!
I think its been cracked.
Esther born 1824 Winchomb was born Esther Light
In 1851 Esther married William Major
In 1858 William dies and Esther becomes a widow.
Mary Ann is born in 1852 a year after they married.
In 1861 both mother and daughter are in a work house
In 1871 Mary Ann is a servant
In 1864 Esther marries Thomas Staite
In 1874 Mary Ann marries James Langston
How does that sound
siamese
With Thomas confusing us by shacking up with Esther Greening in 1861 - hence Job living with them!
only one problem what about the greenings who appear in the census with her in 1851 and 1861. esther from 1851 appears in the next census with a grandfather hawker and job appears with esther and thomas staite
And the Greening fellow is a red herring as is Esther Harker ?
Have I missed something where does the surname Greening come into this?
I think was half the trouble two different families but similiar in many ways.
Thanks everyone for your help.
I'm visiting the Gloucester RO to morrow so will do some checking.
siamese
aah - are we saying thomas lives with first esther greening ( nee hawker)and then later ester major ( nee light).oh my head hurts - it is tooooooo confusing
That's the only suggestion I cuold come up with, but thinking again, it doesn;t work as I;d forgotten 1871
Esther Hawker Greening and Esther Light Major are clearly different people
1861 Thomas is with Esther Hawker Greening & son Job
1864 he apparently marries Esther Light Major!
1871 he's still with an Esther with son Job Greening!
It shows how easy it is to make a mistake. Watch this space.
Thanks folks.
siamese
i am now wondering if ther are two thomas staites - would that work???
There are quite a few - and they pop in and out of the censuses!
, in reply to message 29.
Posted by Bashfulewanewan (U7226368) on Saturday, 5th November 2011
Sorry wrote this wrong
Esther Major married 1864 to a Thomas Staite
Name: Esther Major
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1864
Registration district: Winchcomb
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 656
Another earlier marriage
Light Esther Winchcombe 11 637
MAJOR William Winchcombe 11 637Μύ
Tourmie, wow I think you've cracked the mystery of Mary Ann's birth registration .... good on ya gal!
Siamese will no doubt be checking it out but the birth registration is under the 'mum's surname' with no 'mum's former name' or 'dad's name' mentioned.
, in reply to message 47.
Posted by Bashfulewanewan (U7226368) on Saturday, 5th November 2011
Posted on wrong thread, I'll go and get some more sleep!
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