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Message 1.Β
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Can anyone help me in tracing my Grandfathers children from his first marriage. The only information I have is he married Johanna O'Neill in Oct-Dec 1893. His name is Thomas Tew Priest (born 1873) her name is Johanna O'Neill (born 1872?). They had 4 children between 1893-1905 (Johanna died in 1905) I believe their names were George, Thomas, Emily and Madg? If you can help me in this quest I would be most greatful.
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Message 2
Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Do you have an approx place?
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Message 3
Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Is this the family in 1911 ?
No George though but he could have moved on
PRIEST, Thomas Head Married M 38 1873 Builders Labourer Surrey Mortlake
PRIEST, Mary Wife Married
3 years F 31 1880 Surrey Richmond
PRIEST, Margrett Daughter Single F 16 1895 Servant Surrey Mortlake
PRIEST, Thomas Son M 13 1898 School Surrey Mortlake
SMITH, Emily Stepdaughter F 13 1898 School Surrey Richmond
SMITH, Mary Daughter F 8 1903 School Surrey Richmond
SMITH, James Son M 5 1906 Surrey Richmond
PRIEST, Grace Daughter F 2 1909 Surrey Mortlake
PRIEST, Olive Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Surrey Mortlake
And again in 1901 still no George
Name: Thomas T Priest
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Johanna Priest
Gender: Male
Where born: Mortlake, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Mortlake
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Mortlake
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 210
Piece: 678
Folio: 124
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas T Priest 28
Johanna Priest 28
Margret Priest 6
Thomas C Priest 3
Alice M Priest 10 Months
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Message 4
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Do you have an approx place?
΄³΄ΗΜύ That seems to be spot on! Thank you so much I will see if my cousin (who is 82) recognises the names. Thank you again Jo. -
Message 5
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
George may have died
Name: George Henry L Priest
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 0
DISTRICT: Croydon
COUNTY: Greater London, Kent, Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 155 (click to see others on page)
Name: George William Priest
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 0
DISTRICT: Godstone
COUNTY: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 117 (click to see others on page) -
Message 6
Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
I don't know what happened to Alice M b 1900 though. And no sign of George at all or Emily. Unless of course its the Emily who was in fact the stepdaughter
Its confusing with the Smiths in 1911. They must be Marys children by her first marriage though only Emily is marked as stepdaughter, clearly Mary and James were also.
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Message 7
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
I don't know what happened to Alice M b 1900 though. And no sign of George at all or Emily. Unless of course its the Emily who was in fact the stepdaughter
Its confusing with the Smiths in 1911. They must be Marys children by her first marriage though only Emily is marked as stepdaughter, clearly Mary and James were also.
΄³΄ΗΜύ I have heard that Mary had 2 children by her first marriage, one being Jim and the other Mary. Again passed down through the family it was thought that one of the children had died at about 15?? possibly Emily. Not sure where Alice fits in that is a new name to me!
Thank you Jo for your help on this I must phone my cousin and see if she knows any of the names. She was Grace's first born and may have heard of these names. -
Message 8
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Hmm the only Priest/ Smith marriage I can see is this one
Marriages Jun 1917 (>99%)
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Levy Georges Melis Richmond S. 2a 981
Melis Reine L G Levy Richmond S. 2a 981
Priest Thomas T Smith Richmond S. 2a 981
Smith Mary A Priest Richmond S. 2a 981 -
Message 9
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Yes that is Thomas's 2nd marriage to Mary.
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Message 10
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Age is slightly out , but this maybe Alice in 1911
PRIEST, ALICE INMATE F 9 SURREY MORTLAKE
Institution name METROPOLITAN CONVALESCENT INSTITUTION WOMAN'S BRANCH Nazareth House
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Message 11
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Meant to have said the address for Nazareth House was Bexhill Sussex
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Message 12
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
hmm! I would love to know what that was about?
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Message 13
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
It seems to have been a place for TB patients to go as looking at the 1911 census , the ages are of the young ( up to 18/20) or the elderly 60+
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Message 14
Posted by vron (U7555028) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
thomas birth date? 1872 not 1873
Name: Thomas Tew Priest
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 Sep 1872
Christening Date: 1 Dec 1872
Christening Place: Mortlake, Surrey, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's name: George Priest
Mother's name: Charlotte
know that doesnt help with his children but just thought i would add it -
Message 15
Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
hmm! I would love to know what that was about?Β
Looking at the images for Nazareth House, There are only 12 men (older) and over 271 women and girls of all ages.
The first page (after the address) has the first three people as Superintendent, Asst Matron and Nursing sister. The next 10 are domestic staff. All give their place of work as 'convalescent home'. So I am guessing that is just what it was. The first few pages give the people as patients, then comes quite a few ladies of varying ages 'sister non official, Sister of Nazareth'. So possibly a convent for those convalescing. The remainder are all called inmates. But Once the 'sisters' are listed, the handwriting changes. Looks like the superintendent completed the first part and called them patients. Then the Nuns completed the remaining and called them inmates.
Jo -
Message 16
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Thanks Jo.
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Message 17
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Thank you for that. I know that Olive died of TB in 1940 so I expect it was quite common in those days.
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Message 18
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Anyone able to find Mary and Emily on 1901 - I'm trying to work out why they didn't marry until 1917. Johanna died in 1905 so the impediment isn;t on that side...
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Message 19
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
And loks like to confuse use they're registering/christening in one name and using another on the census
Name: Rosetta Agnes Grace Priest
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 06 Nov 1908
Birthplace: St. Mary Magdalene, Richmond, Surrey, England
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Thomas Tew Priest
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Priest
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03860-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 2262065
Reference Number: 211 -
Message 20
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
It seems as if they both lost their partners but did not marry until after Grace was born. I don't understand why Emily was listed as step daughter when Mary and James were not. I dont know who or when Mary Ann married ??Smith so am wondering if Emily was the daughter of MR Smith before they got married. Help in being able to trace that might help.
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Message 21
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Mary was born in 1902 according to the 1911 census ................. I've been looking for Emily, but not had any luck as yet !
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Message 22
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
This is the closest I can see , so maybe she was Marys stepchild ?
Name: Dorothy Emily Smith
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Alfred Walter Smith
Mother's name: Louisa Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Chiswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Chiswick
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 1198
Folio: 104
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Walter Smith 29
Louisa Smith 27
Alfred Joseph Smith 7
Dorothy Emily Smith 4 >>>>>>>>>>>
Eliza Smith 56
Thomas Horton 29
Emily Horton 28
Frances Joseph Horton 1
Charles Hunt 34
Charles John Cole 45
Arthur Alton 25
Albert Garmmedye 23
Frances Heden 24
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1198; Folio: 104; Page: 9. -
Message 23
Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Mary was born in 1902 according to the 1911 census ................. I've been looking for Emily, but not had any luck as yet ! Β
Are you looking at a different census Bash.
Mary was aged 8 so born 1903. Well apart from the normal assumption on the censuses that everyone was born in the first quarter of the year 
No luck with finding Emily either.
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Message 24
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Ignore last message ............. found that family on 1911 !
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Message 25
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
OOps Sorry, yes I mistyped Marys birth year............
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Message 26
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Mary A Smith (b1880) was Mary ann Watkins before she married ??Smith. does this help in locating when they married?
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Message 27
Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
How refreshing to find someone who was actually born in the first Q of the year so their ages on the census are corrrect.
Regrettably I can find no marriage for a Mary Watkins to a Smith anywhere near Surrey between 1890 and 1906 which makes her children quite strangely named.
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Message 28
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Does this mean that they may not have married?
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Message 29
Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Having children in an 8 year span without marriage is not impossible but rather unusual.
I can find registered births for Emily, Mary and James Smith in the right time frame but registered in Camberwell which is not really the correct district for Richmond as it had its own. But details on a census can be a little out.
Did she marry a Mr Smith? Who knows. Anything really is pure speculation tbh. Maybe she was a little bit of a flibberty Jib and just put the name of Smith for her children before she met Thomas. Maybe she took them on as a sort of foster mother. The marriage between Thomas and Mary didn't need any documentation to say who they were, it was pretty much as stated.
Sorry, but it pretty much looks like there was some sort of problem with the Smith children. Could be they were just rescued by Mary or perhaps not. No records to match so there is nothing to prove really unless someone has another idea.
Jo -
Message 30
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Well thank you for all your help.
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Message 31
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Possible sighting of Mary on 1881 - she's 11 months old. However she's not with her widowed mother and siblings on 1891
Name: Mary A. Watkins
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: David Watkins
Mother's name: Eliza Watkins
Gender: Female
Where born: Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Richmond
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 27 Red Lion St
Education:
Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 843
Folio: 182
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
David Watkins 25
Eliza Watkins 21
Moses S. Watkins 2
Mary A. Watkins -
Message 32
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
I think this could be the right family, as David has a younger sister Rosetta and I think young Moses marries an Olive, a few years before Olive Priest is born
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Message 33
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Well there is certainly a mystery between when she was born and when she got married to Thomas Priest. Did she marry Mr Smith, were the children hers. I was led to believe that she had a white wedding at St Mary Magdelene C of E church in Richmond. Wel I guess it will remain a mystery. Thank you for all your help. If you do happen upon anymore information I would be greatful if you would let me know.
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Message 34
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Olive Gibb? that rings a bell. Mosses was my grans brother who served in the boar war.
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Message 35
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
yes - marries Olive Gibbs in 1906
Boer War explains why I can;t see him on 1901. here he is on 1891 - clearly no Mary and I'm not sure where she is
Name: Moses Watkins
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Eliza Watkins
Gender: Male
Where born: Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Richmond
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 619
Folio: 105
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Watkins 32
Moses Watkins 12
John Watkins 6
Ethel Watkins 5
Daniel Watkins 3
Ellen Watkins 1
John Surral 26 -
Message 36
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
This is interesting - so where have all the little Watkins come from?
Name: David Watkins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 26
DISTRICT: Richmond Sry
COUNTY: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 185 -
Message 37
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 17th April 2011
Eliza and one of the children - presumably the husband is the lodger of 1891
Name: Eliza Turrell
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Turrell
Gender: Female
Where born: Richmond, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Richmond
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Matthias
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Richmond
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 162
Piece: 674
Folio: 92
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
John Turrell 43
Eliza Turrell 42
John Turrell 18
James Turrell 8
Eliza Turrell 5 -
Message 38
Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Monday, 18th April 2011
Moses disharge, pension paper are on Findmypast. There are 8 images in all, though two have no information.
He was a gunner with the Royal Gunner Artillery, from Richmond Surrey, Joined up on 10th June 1895 aged 18 and was discharged 7th June 1907.
He went Gibraltar Nov 1895 to Oct 1896, Malta Oct 1896 to June 1900 and Africa June 1900 to June 1901 and Bermuda June 1901 to Nov 1902. Then home until his discharge.
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Message 39
Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Monday, 18th April 2011
Meant to say he was Moses David Watkins.
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Message 40
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Monday, 18th April 2011
Are they the Lodgers??????????
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Message 41
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Monday, 18th April 2011
Where has Mary disappeared to? Looks as if she left home when the lodger came in. Pehapes to her Fathers relatives when he died?
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Message 42
Posted by Joyce (U15033734) on Sunday, 13th November 2011
Can anyone help me in tracing my Grandfathers children from his first marriage. The only information I have is he married Johanna O'Neill in Oct-Dec 1893. His name is Thomas Tew Priest (born 1873) her name is Johanna O'Neill (born 1872?). They had 4 children between 1893-1905 (Johanna died in 1905) I believe their names were George, Thomas, Emily and Madg? If you can help me in this quest I would be most greatful.Β I am Thomas Tew Priests great grandaughter and my mother is his grandaughter and Johanna was her grandmother. Her father was Thomas Charles Priest. She has loads of info about this side of the family because her husband (my dad) has been rresesrching our family tree. George Priest was actually christened Cornelius although everyone called him Uncle George and Aunt Alice was actally a nun at the convent in Bexhill caring for the TB patients - she never had TB!
Also Thomas & Johanna had 5 children. There was a stillborn, the last, called Bernard who was born in 1905 and after the birth Johanna died. His son, my grandad Tom, called one of his sons, my uncle and your half cousin, Bernard in hs memory. Tom married Caroline Gibling in 1920 and they had 5 children - Charlie, Bernard, Frank, Irene and Joyce - my mum) please reply to this thread as she would love to hear about the half cousins she never knew she had! -
Message 43
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 13th November 2011
Hello Joyce and welcome to the board,
Russel had only made this one thread on the board and has not been back here so he may not see it unless he comes back with another query
Edna -
Message 44
Posted by Joyce (U15033734) on Sunday, 13th November 2011
Hi Edna
Thanks for the reply.
Is there any way of getting in touch with him? Its a cousin my mother never knew she had and as the last survivng grandchild - or so she thought - of Thomas Tew Priest now really wants to find out more about this new family of hers. -
Message 45
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Sunday, 13th November 2011
No way you can make contact from here but have you checked the trees on Genes reunited?
I have just checked and there are six people with the name Thomas Priest Mortlake Surry with the date of birth 1873 on Genes reunited and it costs about Β£10 to join for 6 months and you can make contact with these members if they are still active on there, but no one with the name russell
It is worth taking membership to find more living contacts.
Edna -
Message 46
Posted by Joyce (U15033734) on Monday, 14th November 2011
Thanks Edna
My dad is going to look on Genes. Its so infuriating! My mum is dying to know this new side of the family! She remembers Mary Smith and knew her as "Gran" as Johanna died when her dad Tom - my grandfather - was just 8 years old. But she's not aware of any of these descendants and certainly doesnt know the name Russell. Just have to wait patiently now I suppose! Thanks again.
Joyce -
Message 47
Posted by russell (U14844491) on Thursday, 17th November 2011
Hi Joyce,
Great news to find some more of the Family. Tell you Mum she has lot's more cousins than she thought.
I remember my grandfather Thomas Tew Priest well as does my 2 sisters as we used to go round every Sunday to see them. The oldest grandaughter Jean is now 82 and she remembers a lot of Thomas's children with Johanna.
Please get back in touch and and we can fill in all the gaps. I am sure Jean will remember. Thomas Tew had 4 children with my Gran (Mary Ann) and they all had children.
Loads more to tell you
Philip -
Message 48
Posted by silvery (U8422462) on Thursday, 17th November 2011
You can't really get in touch with each other on here. You will have to join rootschat (not rootsweb) make three posts (in beginners perhaps with hello, and the name of this family, and then another with a smiley - something like that) and look for each other.
Or pay to get onto genesreunited and then you can contact each other through that and exchange email addresses. -
Message 49
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Thursday, 17th November 2011
Or join Family Tree Forum where you just need to register and then click on the email to be accepted then you can send each other a message right away.
lots of choices here for you.
good to see you got back to the thread to find Joyces messages.
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Message 50
Posted by Joyce (U15033734) on Thursday, 17th November 2011
So so glad you got in touch, Philip!
I dont know if you've seen the following messages on this thread but its not going to be possible to get in touch, ie exchange emails or addresses on this website due to their privacy rules and they have suggested we go through one of the other websites they have suggested where we can connect to each other.
I will be visiting my parents on Saturday to give them this news and see how best they want to tackle this and what they want to do to make contact with you, so please PLEASE keep an eye on this message board on Saturday or after, so we can exchange ideas on how to keep in touch.
So pleased we have made contact at last!
Joyce
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