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Message 1.Μύ
Posted by Bashfulewanewan (U7226368) on Monday, 19th October 2009
I am looking for the following person on the 1901 census can anyone please help?
From the 1911 census there is a Frank Leonard Hulme born about 1871, he was living on the Isle of Man and married in 1902 on the Isle of Man.
Unfortunately, I don't know where his birthplace is but it does look like it is not the Isle of Man.
Thanks for any help
Ewan -
Message 2
Posted by snowyborn_again (U7368833) on Monday, 19th October 2009
Born Handforth Chesshire on 1911.
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Message 3
Posted by snowyborn_again (U7368833) on Monday, 19th October 2009
Had to go back to 1881 to find him for sure.
1881 England Census
about Frank L. Hulme
Name: Frank L. Hulme
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Mary R.
Gender: Male
Where born: Handforth, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Handforth
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: Birch Villa
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Cheadle
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hulme 53 independent, land-owner b. Wilmslow Chesh
Mary R. Hulme 37
George R. Hulme 16
Harry Hulme 15
Frederic W. Hulme 13
Frank L. Hulme 11
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3485; Folio: 80; Page: 8;GSU roll: 1341835. -
Message 4
Posted by snowyborn_again (U7368833) on Monday, 19th October 2009
1871 England Census
about Frank L Hulme
Name: Frank L Hulme
Age: 9 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Mary Nelson
Gender: Male
Where born: Handforth, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Handforth Cum Bosden
Ecclesiastical parish: Cheadle
Town: Handforth
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Cheadle
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hulme can't read age, retired farmer
Mary Nelson Hulme 30
George R Hulme 6
Henry Hulme 5
Freker W Hulme 3
Frank L Hulme 9 months
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3666; Folio: 157; Page: 19; GSU roll: 841863. -
Message 5
Posted by snowyborn_again (U7368833) on Monday, 19th October 2009
Little twist here:
1911 census has a daughter Dorothy M. Hulme age 9 (abt 1902) born Heaton Chapel, Lancs.
Yet...
1901 Isle of Man Census
about Dorothy Maud Hulme
Name: Dorothy Maud Hulme
Age in 1901: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, England
Civil parish: Conchan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Town: Douglas
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Isle of Man
Sub-registration district: Isle of Man
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Field 50
Maud Field 20 <<<<Frank's future wife?
Isa Field 13
Dorothy Maud Hulme 2 (does say 2 not 2 months)
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 5303; Folio: 101; Page: 1. -
Message 6
Posted by snowyborn_again (U7368833) on Monday, 19th October 2009
Births Mar 1899
Hulme Dorothy Maud Manchester 8d 238
The only Hulme in the 1901 IOM census is Dorothy. Maybe Frank is somewhere back in Manchester. -
Message 7
Posted by Bashfulewanewan (U7226368) on Monday, 19th October 2009
Thank you so much for your hard work and time to find Frank on the 1901 census for me. I tried to find his birthplace using just the index but had not luck.
On the 1911 census he had a daughter as you have mentioned (aged 9) and a son also his wife Maud. That certainly looks like Frank's future wife that I was looking for, I wonder where Maud was born.
Ewan -
Message 8
Posted by Bashfulewanewan (U7226368) on Monday, 19th October 2009
Now I am severely confused.........
There is a marriage for a Frank Leonard Hulme to a possibly Lily Field Stockport in the June of 1898 quarter.
The Dorothy Maud born Manchester does look like the one you found on the 1901 living with the Field family in 1901 on the Isle of Man.
I will need to look deeper into this, knowing where Maud Field was born would help, but then the information is only as good as it is given!
Thanks again
Ewan -
Message 9
Posted by U2133447 (U2133447) on Monday, 19th October 2009
Looks like Lily died in childbirth which could then explain why her daughter was with the other Fields in 1901 - her relatives?
Deaths Jun 1899
Hulme Lily 23 Salford 8d 50 -
Message 10
Posted by Bashfulewanewan (U7226368) on Monday, 19th October 2009
Yeh I saw that death record and wondered if she died in childbirth of when the baby was very young. It looks like Frank went on to marry a Maud in 1902 on the Isle of Man, so it looks increasingly likely that it was a relative of Lilys. I was hoping for a different surname for Maud than Field, so it looks like it is back to the drawing board again.
Thanks for your help
Ewan -
Message 11
Posted by snowyborn_again (U7368833) on Monday, 19th October 2009
It sure looks like Frank married his sister-in-law then. Isa the other sister is in the household. On closer inspection, there are no birth places given for the children.
1911 census
Frank Leonard Hulme/ head/ age 40/ married/ married 10 years/ 2 children born alive/ 2 children still living/ none for children who died/ occupation Publican/ industry: brewery [think that's what it says]/ own account/ at home/ b. Handforth Cheshire/
Maud Hulme/ wife/ 30/ married/ 10 years/ 2/2/none/b. Heaton Chapel, Lancs/
Dorothy M. Hulme/ daughter/ age 9/ blank for birth place
Walter R. Hulme/ son/ 7/ looks like ditto marks in the next 5 columns [?]/ blank for birth place
Isa Sayle/ sister/ age 24/ ditto marks assume married/ no occupation/ b. Heaton Chapel, Lancs
Lily V. Sayle/ neice/ age 2/ blank for birth place
plus two servants
Lily Cowley/ servant/ b. IOM
Elizabeth Radcliffe/ servant/ b. IOM
address: Shore Hotel Laxey IOM -
Message 12
Posted by Bashfulewanewan (U7226368) on Monday, 19th October 2009
Hello snowyborn_again
Sadly for me that does look correct he married Maud Field and that means I am starting again to look for another Maud/Maude, whom I know was born in Plymouth and who may have been on the Island of Man for the 1911 census.
Can't thank you enough for your time spent in helping me.
Ewan -
Message 13
Posted by snowyborn_again (U7368833) on Monday, 19th October 2009
What's her surname and age?
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Message 14
Posted by Bashfulewanewan (U7226368) on Tuesday, 20th October 2009
Do you know I was sure as sure that I had found the correct Maud, the memorial inscription for her and Frank's grave had been found they died well into old age 83 and 94 years of age respectively. I just needed verification of her maiden name, as you know it turned out to be Field.
I have looked at Maudes and Maud with the surnames of Hulme, Field, Corkish, Nixon, Fairless, Williams, Fayle, Lawson (possible married names for Maude/Maud), but they turned out to be incorrect Maudes/Maud. I have her (Maud) on the 1901 census living as a servant on the Isle of Man, her age showing as 21 born in England.
Her name at birth in 1878 Plymouth was Maude Nellie H Cox.
There are still a few surnames to go through so I will keep plodding.
Thanks in advance
Ewan -
Message 15
Posted by Diana_S (U14705203) on Tuesday, 1st November 2011
Frank indeed did marry his sister in law. His first wife had died in a road accident (run over by a horse and cart). Frank's first child was to his first wife, Lilian, and they were living in Manchester at the time of their daughter's birth (Dorothy Maud), and Lillian's death. Frank married Maud Field on the Isle of Man, Walter was born on the Isle of Man.
Dorothy Maud Hulme is my husband's grandmother - we have a family bible entry for this family, and I've looked them up successfully in BDM records etc. -
Message 16
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 1st November 2011
Diana,
Please look back for a reply as Ewan is a regular member of this board and he may offer a way of mking contact either via rootschat or Familytreeforum if you are a member of rootschat I think Ewan may be a member there too and you can pass on information via their PM system as personal details are not permitted on this board.
Edna -
Message 17
Posted by Diana_S (U14705203) on Tuesday, 1st November 2011
That was my guess with Frank Hulme also. I'll have to check the 1901 census for him again.
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Message 18
Posted by Diana_S (U14705203) on Tuesday, 1st November 2011
I would certainly like to try and find more info on Walter Reginald Hulme (known as uncle Reg by my father inlaw). He married a widow with 5 girls and I don't know what year that was in. I don't think Walter had any children of his own, he remained on the Isle of Man to the best of my knowledge. I don't know when he died either.
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Message 19
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 1st November 2011
You could have a look here
Edna -
Message 20
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 1st November 2011
Walter Reginald Hulme marriage 1939 at Laxey page 77 COE
Edna -
Message 21
Posted by clematised (U3233879) on Tuesday, 1st November 2011
The Douglas Civil Registry Office, Deemsters Walk, Douglas, Isle of Man, IM1 3AR Telephone: 01624 687039. Details found on the IOM link above
Order certs here but not found a death on the link I gave
Edna -
Message 22
Posted by Bashfulewanewan (U7226368) on Tuesday, 1st November 2011
Yeh I saw that death record and wondered if she died in childbirth of when the baby was very young. It looks like Frank went on to marry a Maud in 1902 on the Isle of Man, so it looks increasingly likely that it was a relative of Lilys. I was hoping for a different surname for Maud than Field, so it looks like it is back to the drawing board again.
Thanks for your help
Ewan Μύ
Do you know I was sure as sure that I had found the correct Maud, the memorial inscription for her and Frank's grave had been found they died well into old age 83 and 94 years of age respectively. I just needed verification of her maiden name, as you know it turned out to be Field.
I have looked at Maudes and Maud with the surnames of Hulme, Field, Corkish, Nixon, Fairless, Williams, Fayle, Lawson (possible married names for Maude/Maud), but they turned out to be incorrect Maudes/Maud. I have her (Maud) on the 1901 census living as a servant on the Isle of Man, her age showing as 21 born in England.
Her name at birth in 1878 Plymouth was Maude Nellie H Cox.
There are still a few surnames to go through so I will keep plodding.
Thanks in advance
Ewan
Μύ
I have looked at Maudes and Maud with the surnames of Hulme, Field, Corkish, Nixon, Fairless, Williams, Fayle, Lawson (possible married names for Maude/Maud), but they turned out to be incorrect Maudes/Maud. I have her (Maud) on the 1901 census living as a servant on the Isle of Man, her age showing as 21 born in England.
Her name at birth in 1878 Plymouth was Maude Nellie H Cox.
There are still a few surnames to go through so I will keep plodding.
Thanks in advance
Ewan
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Hello Diana, thanks for the interest in my thread, as you can see Field as a surname before marriage was not the name I was looking for.
Ewan -
Message 23
Posted by Diana_S (U14705203) on Friday, 18th November 2011
Thank you Edna
I took another look and the link you suggested. The first time I checked it out (some time ago now) I didn't have any success, but this time I did find the marriage I was looking for for Walter Reginald Hulme. I'm really pleased I've finally found it.
Diana -
Message 24
Posted by Diana_S (U14705203) on Friday, 18th November 2011
Yes, Ewan - I saw. But it's always good to have your findings confirmed - even if it is for the wrong person (one that didn't belong in your tree). Happy ancestor hunting.
BTW - thanks for all the census results. I'd already come across these over the years in my research - but through your enquiry here I've now got them all together on one web page.
Diana
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