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  Posted by MichaelAsplen (U2177739) on Wednesday, 5th October 2005

  I am trying to trace a family member Watson Kershaw, born Leeds 1842. Mentioned in the 1881 census on a S.S. Valhalla at Stanton, Durham, but then mentioned as deceased on his son's marriage October 1889, I have tried the 1837 online search going through each year from 1881 up to 1889 with no luck, what could I try next?
  1891 Census has his wife as a Widow so there must be some record somewhere?
  Thanks

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Wednesday, 5th October 2005

  In familysearch.org there is a Watson Kershaw b Leeds 16th April 1842. Died 26th Aug 1882. Father Joseph Kershaw. Mother Mary Watson Kershaw

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  Posted by MichaelAsplen (U2177739) on Wednesday, 5th October 2005

  Well Jowin1
  You have just made my day, that is the Watson Kershaw I am looking for. I shall try that site myself.
  It's very funny that I can not find him on 1837 website as they are supposed to be copies of the National register.
  
  Thank you very much
  
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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Wednesday, 5th October 2005

  Unsure of the source of this information. Previous experience tells me that they take the information from film. Someone more seasoned may be more enlightened. I suspect there are some links for you to attain more info.
  
  Jo

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  Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Wednesday, 5th October 2005

  Hi Jowin1,
  Ancestry shows him dying on the 26th August 1882 as you found. District West Riding of Yorkshire. Vol. 23 Page 344. Apart from family search I have not been able to find him or his parents any where else?
  Hopefully Michael Asplen will read this and be able to give us more information re his parents
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  Spike Unsure of the source of this information. Previous experience tells me that they take the information from film. Someone more seasoned may be more enlightened. I suspect there are some links for you to attain more info.
  
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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Wednesday, 5th October 2005

  Hi Spike
  
  Wow. How did you find his death on ancestory. I could find no trace at all. I suspect MichaelAsplen will be well pleased to be able to obtain the death certificate.
  
  See - your obviously more experienced than me, a relative newcomer.
  
  Jo
  
  

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  Posted by MichaelAsplen (U2177739) on Thursday, 6th October 2005

  Hi Spike and Jo,
  
  I looked through 1837 online again and still could not find his death as being registered, I looked at the site that Jo found information, so how Spike has found that his death comes under West Riding (West Yorkshire) he needs to pass on his exceptional skills and any other info, do I contact Leeds for his death certificate?
  
  Watson Kershaw was born at 57 Waterloo Street, district of Kirkgate, Leeds. I recently stayed in a Hotel along that street, it's right next door to the Tetleys Brewery!! Obviously the whole area has been revamped. His Father Joseph worked as a Waterman, well this area is the old dock area of Leeds.
  He worked as a 'Railway Stoker' living at Pickles Street, Wortley, at the time of his first and only son Watson in 1867.
  
  On the 1881 Census Watson's age is 34?? working as a 'fireman' on the Valhalla SS at Stanton, Durham?
  
  He was married in 1864 at St Peters, Leeds to a Jane Buck already a widow, her maiden name was Grainger.
  
  He is my 2nd Great-Grandfather on my Mothers side of the family.
  
  any other additional information would be great, and thanks to you both for you replies.
  
  Michael

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Thursday, 6th October 2005

  Hi again
  
  Like you I was unable to trace Watson on Ancestry. If the volume and page that spike gave you are correct (He is very good I believe), then you can obtain the certificate from
  
  The cost is Β£7 if you have the correct information which is the quarter, vol, page and year. I believe they will do a search for a small fee but I have checked 1837 on line for the date given on familysearch and I can't find it either. I think I would want to make sure its there before parting with my money You can get a free trial at Ancestry.co.uk to check yourself.

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Thursday, 6th October 2005

  Heres another site, closely linked to Ancestry.co.uk. It will give the info you need. Its free but I am not convinced all the info is there.
  

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  Posted by MichaelAsplen (U2177739) on Thursday, 6th October 2005

  thanks for the info I will check information out and also I thought to contact Leeds Registrar with the dates given and see if they have any records. I keep you informed.
  Michael

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  Posted by MichaelAsplen (U2177739) on Thursday, 6th October 2005

  I have looked at Ancestry.com and Watson's birth record is 1842 Vol.23 page 344 so I think Spike might have got cross wires? But I'll keep on trying.

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Friday, 7th October 2005

  Ah right. Yes I found his birth too but did not place much importance on obtaining his cert. This would make sense about Spike making this mix up. I find it very strange that his death is not on the GRO ledgers. It would make sense to go to the local office. At least now you have a date. Out of interest the reason his date of death was logged on familysearch was because there was an after death baptism. Some time after too. Keep me posted with your response from the Leeds office.
  
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  Posted by MichaelAsplen (U2177739) on Friday, 7th October 2005

  Hi Jo,
  i know it may seem silly but what do you mean by an after death baptism?
  Leeds Registry have not replied today.
  I live in Cambridge so I am unable just to visit, hence I do most of my research via internet and buying cd roms etc.

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Friday, 7th October 2005

  If you go into familysearch.org and check the three listings. There are film numbers at the bottom of each entry. Click on each of them as they all have different details. Someone more versed may understand it better but it clearly states Baptsim for the dead on one and Sealings of children for parents. So someone in the family had him baptised after death - somewhere between 1893 and 1943. Unsure whether you can get informmation from them direct. Worth a try but it does state that you have to prove you are family to get information. I wonder if he died and was buried at sea or the whole ships crew went doen and they had to wait the obligatory 7 years to record his death?

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  Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Friday, 7th October 2005

  Hi MichealAsplen,
  I am at work at the moment but when I get home I shall double check my find and come back am on Saturday with the result.
  Sorry if I did get my wires crossed.
  Regards
  Spike I have looked at Ancestry.com and Watson's birth record is 1842 Vol.23 page 344 so I think Spike might have got cross wires? But I'll keep on trying.Μύ

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  Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Friday, 7th October 2005

  Hi MichaelAsplen,
  
  I owe you an apology, I did get my wires crossed I should have said on Family Search Watson Kershaw shown as dying on the 26th August, 1882 and the Vol 23 Page 334 refered to his birth in Leeds on the 16th April,1842 as found by Jowin1.
  
  Once again I can only apologise.
  Regards
  Spike I have looked at Ancestry.com and Watson's birth record is 1842 Vol.23 page 344 so I think Spike might have got cross wires? But I'll keep on trying.Μύ

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  Posted by loftyowl (U1774904) on Sunday, 9th October 2005

  Hi Spike,
  I take my hat off to you. Quite a piece of brilliant research. Can I ask a favour? Would you be prepared to reveal how you found this out. This is a most interesting puzzle.
  

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  Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Sunday, 9th October 2005

  Ho Gosh!
  
  Spike Hi Spike,
  I take my hat off to you. Quite a piece of brilliant research. Can I ask a favour? Would you be prepared to reveal how you found this out. This is a most interesting puzzle.
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  Posted by MichaelAsplen (U2177739) on Monday, 10th October 2005

  Hi Everyone,
  
  Just thought I let you know that I have emailed, LDS and the Maritime Websites for any info or help that they might have on records, so fingers crossed I might get a positive reply, also with regards to the LDS, I do have a contact number for the Cambridge branch of LDS so I thought I might give them a buzz to maybe arrange a visit, as most LDS headquarters have access to all the records.

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Monday, 10th October 2005

  Ahem
  
  Hate to be a 'patter of my own back' but I found the info on Watson Kershaw on family search and the uiinfo about baptism after detah. I also found his birth certificate but as Michaelasplen was only looking for the death, I did not give out the info. I don't wish to appear to be petty or to steal anyones thunder but it is a little annoying when someone else gets the credit for all the searching you have done. Suggest Loftyowl,though we are all guilty of it, you read the whole message board before sending praise. Sorry Spike!
  
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  Jo Hi Spike,
  I take my hat off to you. Quite a piece of brilliant research. Can I ask a favour? Would you be prepared to reveal how you found this out. This is a most interesting puzzle.
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  Posted by LincsJen (U2202722) on Monday, 10th October 2005

  Hi
  
  Seeing as he was on board ship in 1881, have you checked that he didn't die at sea?
  
  Jen

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  Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Monday, 10th October 2005

  Hi Jowin1,
  You are quite right and so you should pat yourself on the back, as I pointed out in message 16 two days ago, I used the information that you had already found. I also believe that I caused the confusion by getting my wires crossed which was not very helpfull to anyone hence ny embaressment at Loftyowl's message.
  
  Whilst it is not ment as an excuse sometimes going 'up' and 'down' the message trying to keep track of what you are doing or have done does get 'differcult'
  
  Regards in embaressment
  Spike Ahem
  
  Hate to be a 'patter of my own back' but I found the info on Watson Kershaw on family search and the uiinfo about baptism after detah. I also found his birth certificate but as Michaelasplen was only looking for the death, I did not give out the info. I don't wish to appear to be petty or to steal anyones thunder but it is a little annoying when someone else gets the credit for all the searching you have done. Suggest Loftyowl,though we are all guilty of it, you read the whole message board before sending praise. Sorry Spike!
  
  Hiccup
  Jo
  
  Jo Hi Spike,
  I take my hat off to you. Quite a piece of brilliant research. Can I ask a favour? Would you be prepared to reveal how you found this out. This is a most interesting puzzle.
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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Monday, 10th October 2005

  I mentioned this to Michael some time ago as he was baptised at least 11 years after death. Will need some digging this one.

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Monday, 10th October 2005

  How harsh am I? Especially about reading the messages correct. I have made numerous mistakes in viewing messages, searching and my typing leaves a lot to be desired. Once I had posted it, I realised how harsh it sounded. Didn't mean it lofty. If I knew how to put a smiley on here, I would put a very contrite face on. If there is such a thing.
  
  

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  Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Monday, 10th October 2005

  Hi Jowin1,
  As you pointed out he was baptised 11 years after his death? As you say this one will need some digging. I know of people being baptised before getting married but after dying?
  Regards
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