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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 18th September 2005

  I have found two possible deaths for my g g g grandfather Marshall Dales - Dec 1851 and Sept 1856. Do I have to order the death certificates to find out whichwas mine? He was born 1818. My G G Grandfather John was born 1843 so I considered it possible that there was a young Marshall (His brother)who died in infancy, but he is not a part of the family on the 1851 census and there was no Marshall born in 1851. Where can I get the age at death without purchasing both certs anyone ?
  
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  Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Sunday, 18th September 2005

  Hi JowinI,
  
  Had a look on 1837 and as you say it does not give age at death. I think you will have to go for a copy of the birth certificate(s).
  
  If you know where they were living about the date of death this would help to decide which one. If you follow your gut feeling and go for one at a time you have an even chance of being right first time.
  
  Sorry I can not be more helpful
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  Spike I have found two possible deaths for my g g g grandfather Marshall Dales - Dec 1851 and Sept 1856. Do I have to order the death certificates to find out whichwas mine? He was born 1818. My G G Grandfather John was born 1843 so I considered it possible that there was a young Marshall (His brother)who died in infancy, but he is not a part of the family on the 1851 census and there was no Marshall born in 1851. Where can I get the age at death without purchasing both certs anyone ?
  
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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 18th September 2005

  Thanks anyway. I also checked on 1837. I do know they did put age at death but unsure when this started.Marshall was on the 1851 census and the children were born almost every 18 months but stopped 1849.Mind you his wife Elizabeth was 41 by then. So which do you think is the best bet? He would have been very young (33)to die in 1851. I suppose it is not unheard of.

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  Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Sunday, 18th September 2005

  Hi Jowin1,
  
  When you go for a birth certificate do it by telephone informing the records office the names of his parents and they should check that before sending you the copy.
  
  In this instance it would be better to order by phone and talk to them explaining your problem. I have always found them helpful.
  
  Please confirm the the suspected years of birth I am a little confussed.
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  Spike
  
  Thanks anyway. I also checked on 1837. I do know they did put age at death but unsure when this started.Marshall was on the 1851 census and the children were born almost every 18 months but stopped 1849.Mind you his wife Elizabeth was 41 by then. So which do you think is the best bet? He would have been very young (33)to die in 1851. I suppose it is not unheard of. Β 

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 18th September 2005

  Hi Spike
  
  Marshall Dales was born 20th Sept 1818 in Muckton Lincolnshire. He was my G G G Grandfather. John Dales, his son, my G G Grandfather was born August 1843. This is why I suspected Marshall a possible brother to John who died in infancy. But there are no births in 1851 so it is highly unlikely.
  
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  Posted by Stepney Boy (U1760040) on Sunday, 18th September 2005

  Hi,
  I did get confused I was looking at births in the 1850s . I would still do the same and telephone the records office telling them you problem giving them the name of his widow and if you can where they may have been living even just the area would help.
  
  Apologies if I misled you
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  Spike Hi Spike
  
  Marshall Dales was born 20th Sept 1818 in Muckton Lincolnshire. He was my G G G Grandfather. John Dales, his son, my G G Grandfather was born August 1843. This is why I suspected Marshall a possible brother to John who died in infancy. But there are no births in 1851 so it is highly unlikely.
  
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  Posted by dmatt74 (U1690430) on Sunday, 18th September 2005

  This is part of the period when ages were not entered on the death indexes, so the only other options are the burial records (if any)at the local county record office.

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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Sunday, 18th September 2005

  Regrettably both thes Marshal Dales died in Louth which was the residence of my G G G Grandfather in the 1851 census. Thanks for your help. I will phone them tomorrow. Thanks again
  
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  Posted by Andy Alston (U1650527) on Monday, 19th September 2005

  Even if you get the wrong certificate first, with such an uncommon name it is likely that he will be a close relative. It might give you some insight into the previous generations, so it's not wasted money. Think positive!

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  Posted by johnlauper (U2010153) on Monday, 19th September 2005

  Jo> If its of any help I've found your Marshall Dales, (aged 22, Profession - Carpenter) in the 1841 census of Lincolnshire living in Mount Pleasant, Louth with his wife, Elizabeth (aged 25).
  
  There were no other entries for a Marshall Dales in Lincolnshire but if you want me to look up anyone else in the 1841 census (in Lincolnshire) just let me know.
  
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  Posted by Jowin1 (U1940449) on Monday, 19th September 2005

  Thanks. Lincolnshire 1841 has now been transcribed and is on origins network so I found them eventually on there but still cannot find which of the deceased is my G g G Grandfather. Guess I'll have to buy both certificates. At this rate I'll have to get a second job to pay for all the certs I'm paying for.
  
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