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Message 1.Β
Posted by History Host (U14671356) on Friday, 25th November 2011
Hello,
Here's this week's teaser ... might be a bit easier than last week's!
Which English king died after being shot by an arrow whilst out hunting, and when?
Katy
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Message 2
Posted by Vizzer aka U_numbers (U2011621) on Friday, 25th November 2011
The king was William Rufus but I don't know the year.
1100? -
Message 3
Posted by History Host (U14671356) on Friday, 25th November 2011
Hi Vizzer_aka_u_numbers,
You're right on both accounts - and it was the 2nd August 1100.
Over to you if you fancy setting the next question
Katy -
Message 4
Posted by Vizzer aka U_numbers (U2011621) on Friday, 25th November 2011
Lucky guess!
Okay - what was the maiden name of the woman who appears on the back of a Bank of England Β£5 note? -
Message 5
Posted by Hugh Mosby-Joaquin (U14258131) on Friday, 25th November 2011
The name was Gurney; the person was otherwise Elizabeth Fry.
But I owe it to Ian Hislop for this enlightenment, in his Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ TV program about 'good' bankers. -
Message 6
Posted by Vizzer aka U_numbers (U2011621) on Friday, 25th November 2011
That's exactly right Hugh. Both the Gurney family and the Fry family were great Quaker banking families.
Your turn. -
Message 7
Posted by Hugh Mosby-Joaquin (U14258131) on Friday, 25th November 2011
Right-ho, try this! I've just been re-reading a rather good history book about this.
It's possibly a bit 'Round Britain Quiz' cryptic...but worth a try!
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How old was Jean Parisot when The Order was attacked?
How old was The Magnificent Son of Selim, when he did the attacking?
And an explanation might be good; rather than a guess! -
Message 8
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Friday, 25th November 2011
Blast. Didn't mean to post that - it was supposed to go on my desktop for later attention after I've been to the Christmas Lights switch-on.
Still, it should make someone else's job easy - provided they identify the correct siege of Malta ..... -
Message 9
Posted by mismatched (U14242423) on Friday, 25th November 2011
If I remember correctly from a holday in Malta
The Magnificent Son of Selim would be Suleiman the Magnificent.
Was Jean Parisot original name La Vallette ?
I have no idea of their ages but I think that neither of them was a young man.
I cannot remember which Siege of Malta it was -
Message 10
Posted by Triceratops (U3420301) on Friday, 25th November 2011
1565
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Message 11
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Friday, 25th November 2011
OK. I'll fill it out a little, but someone else will have to take over as questioner in my stead for reasons given above.
Jean Parisot de la Valette, after whom Valetta is named, was 69 or 70 in 1565, when Suleiman I, son of Selim I, sent his forces to attack the Knights Hospitaller of St John in their base at Malta. Suleiman was an almost exact contemporary of Valette.
Were you reading the old Ernle Bradford account? I recall that one from my schooldays - I got it from the school library assuming it was about WWII< and found it fascinating. -
Message 12
Posted by Hugh Mosby-Joaquin (U14258131) on Friday, 25th November 2011
Exactly so on all counts! The attacker and the attacked were both 70 or 71 in 1565, at the siege of Malta in 1565.
I was indeed reading Ernle Bradford's account. I have always thought it would make a terriffic film [...noticing that other thread on the potential film about Azincourt..]. Has a film ever been made about the Siege of Malta? I'm not aware of one. I think Hollywood has rather missed this stirring piece of history; I like the idea that the two adversaries were both in their seventies, which must have been hell for Valette, that summer, in 1565, hardly ever removing his armour and never failing to be in the forefront.
A good part for Sean Connery, methinks; with Omar Sharif as Suleiman? -
Message 13
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Friday, 25th November 2011
Hadn't Valette been a galley slave in Turkish hands at one stage?
And wasn't Turghud Reiss (Dragut), who was one of the Turkish leaders, who died during the siege itself, close to 80? IIRC he was also a former galley slave. -
Message 14
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Friday, 25th November 2011
OK if no-one else fancies setting a question, how did Tugut Reis rescue Selim I, many years after both were dead?
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Message 15
Posted by Vizzer aka U_numbers (U2011621) on Friday, 25th November 2011
Were they the names of ships at the Siege of Rhodes or the Battle of Lepanto or some such?
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Message 16
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Friday, 25th November 2011
Ships, possibly, but at neither of those battles. Much later!
BTW - re Lepanto (as a sequel to the Great Siege of Malta), can I commend Jack Beeching's "The Galleys at Lepanto" -
Message 17
Posted by Vizzer aka U_numbers (U2011621) on Saturday, 26th November 2011
I only thought ships because of your area of expertise Ur. I'll certainly look out for Beeching's book - a fascinating period. (P.S. I've just remembered that the Siege of Rhodes took place before the Siege of Malta so that's well off. Doh!)
Much later could be anything from the Crimean War to the Dardanelles Campaign of the First World War. Staying with the latter - then were they the names of ships, or the names of forts or even the names of canons which drove back Allied ships in the Straits thus forcing the Gallipoli landings? -
Message 18
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Saturday, 26th November 2011
Right war, right campaign, but after the landings. Think of the last surviving (ex?) German battlecruiser ....
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Message 19
Posted by Hugh Mosby-Joaquin (U14258131) on Saturday, 26th November 2011
Right war, right campaign, but after the landings. Think of the last surviving (ex?) German battlecruiser ....Β Were they (Turghut Reis & Selim) the names of the same ship; a Turkish naval ship 'rebranded' by the German Admiralty in the first world war? And this ultmately was the last German battlecruiser afloat?
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Message 20
Posted by Meles meles (U14993979) on Saturday, 26th November 2011
I think you're on to something there Hugh.
Wasn't the battleship HMS Agincourt in 1914 due to be sold to the Ottoman Empire to be called Sulim I, but the deal never went through because the British impounded her at the outbreak of war (and the Turks siding with Germany). To compensate the Germans sold/lent the Turks another battleship of their own.... which I'm guessing was then called the Turghut Reis.
Are we getting near?
(it was the other post about the film Agincourt made me think of this possible connection). -
Message 21
Posted by Meles meles (U14993979) on Saturday, 26th November 2011
I know it's Saturday... but I refuse to Google or Wiki .... (and so I still have my doubts that the Agincourt was actually going to be called the Suliman).
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Message 22
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Saturday, 26th November 2011
Agincourt would have been Sultan Osman I (originally to have been the Brazilian "Rio de Janeiro"), and Erin would have been Reshadieh, but the thinking is good - both ships originally had German names ... Turgut Reis's sister (after she had also been sold to Turkey by the Germans) might have been at home with Scorpion de Rooftrouser, Cleveland Zackhouse, Frums Gillygottle, Edeledel Edel, Churm Rincewind, Sophus Barkayo-Tong, Amaninter Axling, Guttergorm Guttergormpton, Badly Oronparser, Listenis Youghaupt, Molonay Tubilderborst and Farjole Merrybody.
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Message 23
Posted by Meles meles (U14993979) on Saturday, 26th November 2011
UR
Osman I .. yes.. I think you set a Friday Quiz question around him/it (& Henry V & Agincourt) several years ago... thats what made me suddenly think of it OK so I'm wrong, Never mind
For the rest of your message methinks you are taking the p***,..... neh? It all sounds a bit like JAMES WALL! -
Message 24
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Saturday, 26th November 2011
If you are not a devotee of Beachcomber, the "Twelve red-bearded dwarves" would, in all probability, have passed you by unheeded, but at least you now know their names.
The newer ship, Yavuz Sultan Selim, as she was known in Turkish service (noe there's a gift for you) had already blighted the career of Rear-Admiral Troubridge, and may thereby have contributed to Kit Cradock's decision to engage von Spee's squadron with wholly inadequate forces at Coronel. -
Message 25
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Tuesday, 29th November 2011
The German battlecruiser SMS Goeben was transferred to the Ottoman Navy in November 1914 and renamed Yavuz Sultan Selim. She remained in Turkish Navy after the war, was renamed Yavuz Selim in 1930 and then Yavuz in 1936, refitted twice soon after this in 1938 and 1941 and scrapped in 1971.
In January 1918, in company with the light cruiser Midilli (formerly the German SMS Breslau), she sortied and destroyed a pair of British monitors off Imbros. As the pair were returning, they encountered a minefield. Midilli struck a total of 5 mines and sank. Yavuz hit three and was beached, only to be pulled off some days later by Turgut Reis, the former German pre-dreadnought Weissenfels. She was never properly repaired - the damage was concreted over.
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