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Posted by Katy R (U14748743) on Friday, 7th October 2011
Hello,
Hope you've been enjoying the unexpected and lovely weather this week!
So here's this week's brain tickler...
Can anyone come up with three other names by which the Domesday Book was referred to during its creation?
Katy
, in reply to message 1.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Friday, 7th October 2011
The Book of the Exchequer, the book of the King, and the Book of Winchester (though I imagine in Latin).
Was that too easy Nordmann?!
You’re absolutely right - there was also 'descriptio of all england' and catchily, a 'volumen kept in the king's treasury in Winchester'
No wonder the locals started calling it the Domesday book.
Over to you....
, in reply to message 3.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Friday, 7th October 2011
The Irish National Museum in Dublin had an Alecto facsimile on display the last time I was there. I learnt also that in fact the name "Domesday" wasn't applied to it until about two hundred years after its compilation.
"Having been delivered of Phaeton to the Grasshopper, wherein I extracted the moneys required, I walked briskly the remaining hundred yards with my Market-man, Smith, gratified to enter under the Pope unmolested. Never before had I braved a public highway with quite so much of my fortune the thickness of a mere coat pocket from larceny, and I from ruin. His errand to Eldridge's and the collection of my perruc, we surmised, would not take more than ten minutes, time enough I earnestly hoped in which to accomplish my own task before Whiteside might arrive. My intelligence had placed him in Greenwich, but on this day of all days it would be a disaster should I have been misinformed. It was therefore with great satisfaction that I saw the taper light the wick even as I entered, and with even more satisfaction that upon the flame's spluttering demise I could contemplate myself owner of a collier's fifth. My cup was scarcely drained when Smith appeared, parcel in hand, and I confess in my exultation I bade him return alone, while I partook of another with some men who would negotiate with this so recent flute owner the purchase of some Norway Tarr."
Μύ
Question: What was I drinking?
Sounds like Our Sam, and thus perhaps coffee - from memory, "Tee, a china drink" was not on Pepys horizon before 1661, and he sold his flute in '59 or '60.
, in reply to message 5.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Friday, 7th October 2011
It wasn't Sam, but a guy called John Martin. But you're correct with the beverage. From the clues in the passage can he have only been in one place in the world, namely Lloyds Coffee House when it resided in Popes Head Alley.
Over to your good self ...
What name is given to the "Reine Clade" plum in England - and why was the original name not used by Anglophones?
What name is given to the "Reine Clade" plum in England - and why was the original name not used by Anglophones?Μύ That should teach me to proof-read my postings - should have read "Reine Claude" not "Reine Clade" of course.
Greengage but haven't a clue why the original name was not used over here Soemthing to do with Claude, whoever he/she was?.
Ur-Lugal
It seems pretty much like the Greengage.. Perhaps Claude is not a Queen we recognize.. Who was the mother of the "warming pan babe"?
Cass
I would imagine there is a more political reason to change it. To do with the French revolution? Was Claude ever a girl's name in France? The wife of one of the revolutionaries? But they wouldn't put Queen in a title.
Napoleanic?
Claude, Duchess of Brittany, queen consort of Francis I of France, was a genuine queen. The story goes that the label came off Mr Gage's original imported tree so the produce became known as Gage's Green, or Green Gages.
Well, of course, that was going to be my next guess! You will have to do a new quiz.
, in reply to message 13.
Posted by CASSEROLEON (U11049737) on Saturday, 8th October 2011
Caro
By the way my wife had a cousin called Claude (e- denotes female here) who had a sister Michelle (-le) and a father Michel.. In good Catholic countries where people are/were named after Saints' days the name usually has both a male and female form. My mother-in-law is an Yvette (masculine Yves).. My wife is a Sylvie -- male Sylvain..
Cass
PS
Good luck tomorrow
PPS.. As for the quiz.......................................................................................................
PPS. As for the quiz...............................................................................................................................................Μύ
I think we all need a stiff gin and tonic and a spot of defibrillation.
Speaking of which, whose father ran a coffee house where everyone had to speak in Latin? (What on earth is the Latin for coffee, let alone skinny latte?)
, in reply to message 15.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Monday, 10th October 2011
That would have been William Hogarth. Papa's "unda cerebra" didn't catch on at all, unsurprisingly, and he ended up in "carca debitorae".
, in reply to message 16.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Monday, 10th October 2011
While we're in Ackroyd mode, Temperance, can I heartily recommend his "The Clerkenwell Tales" if you as yet haven't had the pleasure of reading it?
If you like a) Chaucer, b) Whodunnits, c) London history and d) Ackroyd then you mustn't miss it.
Incidentally, wasn't Hogarth's father's coffeehouse also in the area? I seem to remember it was one of the many things Ackroyd stipulated in his "London: A Biography" which made Clerkenwell a rather mysterious setting for all things a little revolutionary and avant garde down through the centuries.
Sigh. And there was me thinking I'd set a nice, obscure question.
Quite correct. Hogarth's father went into business trying to sell coffee and Latin lessons in his coffee-house at St. John's Gate. As you say, the enterprise was a dismal failure, and the poor man ended up put away (for debt) in the notorious Fleet Prison.
Over to you, Nordmann!
Crossed posts.
Yes - St. John's Gate is in Clerkenwell. Ackroyd's chapter, "Where is the well of Clerkenwell?" is in the section entitled "London's Radicals."
I think he's brilliant - it's been said (can't remember by whom) that having dinner with Ackroyd is like dining out with the British Museum.
Will get hold of "The Clerkenwell Tales" - haven't read it.
, in reply to message 18.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Monday, 10th October 2011
I didn't realise yours was a "quiz" quiz, Temp!
But since you kindly invited one ...
Why can we be reasonably certain that King John clipped his fingernails and toenails, trimmed his beard, and (probably even) shaved off most of his hair, on the 11th April 1213 in Rochester Castle?
And what does the present incumbent of the throne do instead, thanks also to John's behaviour on that day in 1213?
, in reply to message 20.
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Might that have been Maundy Thursday? If it was, the present monarch would distribute Maundy Money. However, if that's correct, I'm a mite confused as to why John was getting the pamper party. Wasn't he meant to do the pampering of the tootsies of the poor and indigent? Maybe he needed a good old clean up after being so close to unwashed populace.
I would guess John's behaviour was part of his supplicating himself before the Pope in order to have lifted the interdict that had been imposed on his kingdom. I have no clue as to what its legacy to the modern day might be, though.
, in reply to message 22.
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Monday, 10th October 2011
ferval, you are quite right. He was tarpaking of Shreve Thursday and since he also wanted to make a rather royal and enigmatic gesture before the excrement hit the fan (see "Rochester just after 1213") he elected to dish out "last supper" goodies to twelve recipients. The present monarch does much the same, even though in the interim the nature of the "gift" has changed a lot (clothes, anyone?).
Shreving meant clipping, by the way.
, in reply to message 23.
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Monday, 10th October 2011
Oh jobbies, I haven't got a decent question!
Try a silly one then.
If Richard is fifth, William is fourth, George is third and Henry is second, who is first?
Edward.
Regnal names of English monarchs ordered by popularity: we have had 3 Richards, 4 Williams, 6 Georges, 8 Henrys and 11 Edwards (8 post-Conquest plus 3 pre-Conquest).
Do I get a bonus point for guessing we both watched Only Connect yesterday? That had a similar question about Papal names.
, in reply to message 25.
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
Double points indeed Daniel!
This quiz is like a hot potato, it's always such a relief to hand it on!
Your turn.
Let's move from English heads of state to French ones. On the 16th of September 1824, Louis XVIII of France died and was succeeded by his brother Charles Phillipe who reigned as Charles X. How was this legally unique in the political history of nineteenth century France?
Last time the crown passed to the direct heir (Louis Phillipe was elected on Charles' abdication)?
Louis XVIII was also the last French king to die in office.
Moving in the right direction but I am thinking of how it was unique for all the nineteenth century French heads of state, not only the royal and imperial ones but the republican ones too.
, in reply to message 29.
Posted by CASSEROLEON (U11049737) on Tuesday, 11th October 2011
Was it the only time that a succession was achieved within an existing constitution?
Cass
No, not that.
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