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Message 1.Β
Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Friday, 19th August 2011
If anyone is interested it would be grand if you could explain the way red silt helps you connect: a cavalry commander at Minden who perhaps made men, a vacuous US President, but surprisingly not the the successor to Fighting Joe?
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Message 2
Posted by glen berro (U8860283) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Without referring elsewhere I can only guess at Cassius or Clay, or both. I couldn't say exactly why, though I vaguely recall a US pres with the middle name Cassius. I've no idea about the Minden chap, though, biblically, men were made from clay. I must admit I'm at a bit of a loss with the last bit as well as I thought CC beat Rocky Marciano.
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Message 3
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Thanks again, TP. Here I go again with my wild, ungoogled guesses.
Red silt - ochre but heaven knows what the link might be?
Minden man - from your clue, maybe Manners?
President - Hoover surely?
Fighting - Joe no idea but sounds American? -
Message 4
Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Hi ferval
President Hoover it certainly is. Manners, yes, but you need his title; are you a beer drinker? The exact nature of the red silt is unnecessary; you want its effect. I'm afraid you either know Fighting Joe or you don't but I agree he does sound American.
Regards,
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Message 5
Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Hi GB
I'm old enough to remember Rocky Marciano who I believe was a generation younger than Cassius Clay (Ali). Both greta fighters but I don't believe they ever fought each other. As I recall RM retired undefeated world champion.
But sadly none of this is in my question but it's given me an idea for next week!
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Message 6
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Friday, 19th August 2011
I'm afraid I'm neither a beer drinker nor a military historian so I'll have to leave it to those who are to take this forward.
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Message 7
Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Not a beer drinker? But you live in Glasgow!
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Message 8
Posted by glen berro (U8860283) on Friday, 19th August 2011
I think I went off on a red herring thinking about cassiterite, while unable to remember of what it was an ore (tin, perhaps), and not sure what colour the derivative clay might be. Certainly not red if it is tin, so ochre looks more likely.
I shall go away and think about ochre which, unfortunately, has been popular for many millennia. -
Message 9
Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Hi gb
Cassiterite is the ore of tin certainly but don't get hooked on a particular pigment. If I could arrange a musical clue I would whistle a Joni Mitchell song.
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Message 10
Posted by cloudyj (U1773646) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Is fighting Joe Joseph Hooker? That would make his successor Meade.
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Message 11
Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Excellent. Fighting Joe Hooker was commanding general of the Union army until replaced by Meade just before Gettysberg.
So in the original question we have Hoover and Meade. So can you find the link?
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Message 12
Posted by glen berro (U8860283) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Would that be the one with cheap transport, TP? I live in Newcastle and a dollar and a half to Seaham has always looked very reasonable.
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Message 13
Posted by glen berro (U8860283) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Well I think I can forget about ochre and start thinking of dams.
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Message 14
Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Damn right.
I'm going out shortly so the link is the Colorado River - coloured by red silt. It flows past Granby (John Manners, Marquis of), Lake Meade (not named after the General) and the Hoover Dam.
A complete answer would have been Grand since it as cut a canyon of that name.
Anyone else wish to be a quiz inquisitor?
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Message 15
Posted by glen berro (U8860283) on Friday, 19th August 2011
I had an inkling that grand was also a hint but wouldn't have got Granby in a month of Sundays ( even though I have had a pint in The Granby in Whitley Bay). Speaking of which I am a beer drinker and am just off for one now.
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Message 16
Posted by glen berro (U8860283) on Friday, 19th August 2011
I suppose, before I leave I, should attempt something - it is my first try so apologies if it's too obscure or too easy.
How were Honiok, Hough and Prat, unfortunately, connected? -
Message 17
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
Hi Glen, are you back from the pub yet?
Well, I'm totally stumped here, the only hough I'm familiar with is the potted variety and I don't think that's historical enough to qualify.
Since all of these have capitals, are they all people? Even if they are, it doesn't really help me. -
Message 18
Posted by glen berro (U8860283) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
Apologies, ferval and everyone else (if anyone was there). I think I didn't really give enough information.
David Prat was the first casualty in the British Civil Wars, at Turriff Aberdeenshire, in 1639. He was only a servant so his death was probably incidental or accidental.
Daniel Hough was the first casualty of the American Civil War, due to an accident in the discharge of the salute when the Unionists lowered their flag at Fort Sumpter.
Franz Honiok was kidnapped by the SS, forced to make a broadcast in Polish to try to give some credence to Germany's right to invade Poland, and then executed by the SS.
I suppose they were all doubly unlucky.
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Message 19
Posted by glen berro (U8860283) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
I came across David Prat in a book on the Civil Wars and, because I'd been to school with a lad called Michael Pratt, I had a look at the first casualties of various wars.
Interesting that they were accidental or non-combatants. Collateral damage isn't supposed to happen till things get going. -
Message 20
Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Saturday, 20th August 2011
"I'm old enough to remember Rocky Marciano who I believe was a generation younger than Cassius Clay (Ali). Both greta fighters but I don't believe they ever fought each other. As I recall RM retired undefeated world champion."
Surely it was the other way round? Marciano came before Clay/Ali -
Message 21
Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Sunday, 21st August 2011
Hi rg
Actually we are in agreement. I should have written generation earlier rather than younger. Rocky Marciano's fight against Don Cockell in 1955 is my first boxing memory. As a retired doctor I don't approve of deliberate brain damage, but my father was a great enthusiast for boxing.
Regards,
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Message 22
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Sunday, 21st August 2011
There was just a generation in it, at a (legal) pinch - 18 years in fact. Marciano was born on 1 September 1923, Ali on 17 January 1942. Marciano was tragically killed in a plane crash the day before his 46th birthdauy but lived long ago to see Ali succeed to his title of World Heavyweight Champion (although at the time of his death Ali had been stripped of the title due to his refusal to serve in the US military).
Unlike both Ali and Joe Louis, with whom he is also often compared, Marciano was undefeated throughout his professional boxing career. Interesting piece in the Wiki article:
In late July 1969, shortly before his death, Marciano participated in the filming of the fantasy, The Superfight: Marciano vs. Ali. The two boxers were filmed sparring, then the film was edited to match a computer simulation of a hypothetical fight between them, each in their prime. It aired on January 20, 1970, with Marciano winning by knockout in round 13 in North American theatres and Ali winning in European theatres.Β
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