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Message 1.
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Thursday, 4th August 2011
R/s everybody,
I am researching ancient history. During course of my research , I come to Know that Britain has got its roots in Bharatvarsha(India). The Midland counties are synonym of Awadh (oudh) province of Bharatvarsha, where sunline Ikshvaku dynasty Ruled. Lord Rama belong to that dynasty. Lau and Kush were his sons. the River Soar stands for Saryu river in India (awadh). River Trendy stands for Tedhi river of Awadh(Oudh).
To my surprise I come to know that London stands for Lau-nandan (son of Lau).
There were two kingdom in Britain.
(1) kingdom of LOndon (2) kingdom of Hastinga.
Hastinga stands for Hastinapur. the word count and county reminds their connection to Mother Cunta. These fact reveals that Ram is in vanvas(Exile) and Pandava (sons of mother Cunta and Madri) are in guptvas.Both are in exile. The great war of Mahabharat faught and won by Pandava (Hasting).
Britain carries the histiry of great heroes of World. Long live british kings.
I have put all historical facts on my fb account ,named- chandrkant marwadi- .Be my friend on fb a/c and know more about my research.
thanks
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Message 2
Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Thursday, 4th August 2011
This is all complete nonsense!
I wonder if he has any relatives named Brewster!
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Message 3
Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Thursday, 4th August 2011
Yes complete nonsens, even worser than Brewster's.
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Message 4
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Friday, 5th August 2011
Dear,
Have you gone thruogh the “Celtic culture: a historical encyclopedia, Volumes 1-5” by John T. Koch ? pl read it. with the help of this book you can reach up to the War hero - Bolgios and Belgius. But you can go beyond Macedonia. I can provide you the the previous history of ~Bolgios and Belgius. Have you gone through the history of Anatolia? Read it. History of Anatolia is historical junction . First you read this and then we discuss further pl.
Any how thanks for your comment.
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Message 5
Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Friday, 5th August 2011
Well, any nutcase can write a book making all sorts of claims without any foundation whatsoever, and know that other nutcases will read and believe it.
Is there any concrete evidence to back up these claims? Of course not.
Have you ever read Erich von Daniken?
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Message 6
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Friday, 5th August 2011
To be fair, raundsgirl, I don't think the book is the problem, it seems authoritative,
As ever, it's all in the interpretation.
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Message 7
Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Friday, 5th August 2011
Yes I did, Ferval. I did wonder if he was EB in a different guise! We got quite paranoid on the FH board when *he* was about. Paula and I had to sit under the desk with a blanket over our heads before we were calm enough to appear in polite society! (or even impolite society)
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Message 8
Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Friday, 5th August 2011
Hi rg
Maybe there is a a connection between India and Britain. I'd be very happy to call the capital of Yorkshire's great rival Sri Lankaster.
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Message 9
Posted by alanpatten (U1866183) on Saturday, 6th August 2011
Baron Münchhausen rides again!
By the way TP - Nice pun, but Sri Lanka is not India.
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Message 10
Posted by TwinProbe (U4077936) on Saturday, 6th August 2011
Hi Alan
And I believe I right in believing that pedant is spelled with only one 'd'. You should never let the facts get in the way of a good pun.
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Message 11
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Saturday, 6th August 2011
Friends
Now let us start finding facts. If you really know history well than you all will be useful in the search. First of all I request you to see my face book a/c wall. I am serious researcher. First of all you see all the facts I put there.
!)The evidences you want are there on face book a/c -chandrakant Marwadi-. I promise you that you all will enjoy the facts. If you dont believe no problem. still we can continue discussion thereafter. I promise you that I will try honestlly to put all hard facts.
2) secondly , pl tell me that Germanic tribes came and dwell in Britain, is it true? first you reply my this quetion. Then we can start discussing germanic tribes. I will mention the facts only written in European history. Let it be serious discussion.
any how thanks for comments
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Message 12
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Saturday, 6th August 2011
R/S Friend,
Thank you very much to provide the book of Mr.koch online. Now we all can discuss the facts keeping this book before us.
The clues are on page no. 240 to 245.
- I have historical clues to the Root word - Breizh - from which word Brittany, Bretagne, Bertagne took its form. (page- 240)
- On page 243 you will find the map of Breizh.
- on page - 245 - we have got discripion about celtic invasion on Macedonia and Delphy. the book talk about war hero Brennus and Bolgois. These are the clue to real History. We consentrate and discuss around it if you all permit me.
Thanks, thank you very much.
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Message 13
Posted by Thomas_II (U14690627) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
In reply to chandrakantmarwadi
It´s more then obviously that your intention on here is to fishing some people to join your facebook.
secondly , pl tell me that Germanic tribes came and dwell in Britain, is it true? first you reply my this quetion. Then we can start discussing germanic tribes. I will mention the facts only written in European history. Let it be serious discussion.
You´re referring by this to the "traces of the Arian Race" which smacks odd to me because this has been abused by the Nazis, although, none of them wanted to be related to the Indian nation.Link to this forum: Britain has its its roots in Bharatvarsha
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Message 14
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Wednesday, 10th August 2011
All this talk of an Indian is making me hungry.
chandrakantmarwadi, tracing Europeans anthropologically back to the Indian subcontinent is relatively straightforward. If you have devised a racial theory which deviates from that based on accepted anthropological knowledge and supposition then by all means present it here - but please refrain from inviting us to participate in another website in order even to see what it might be. For one things it's a bit discourteous on your side. For another, such behaviour is actually in breach of the rules of this messageboard. And besides, it's tedious.Link to this forum: Britain has its its roots in Bharatvarsha
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Message 15
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Thursday, 11th August 2011
brother
first of all i am not interested to fish out persons for my face book acount. and I dont insist for it. But on this discussion board there is no facility to produce picture as evidence. technically I am poor. I dont know how to put book link on this board. pl help me in that way. I can show you facts in the book.
still i want to share the truth with the whatever tecnigue available here. thaks for replying back. I shall put facts one by one. on your part pl help me to telly the facts. say i am right or wrong. you may can say that mine is half truth. Ok but you can help me to reach up to the Final truth. Let us all of us start quest for truth. join me when I put the facts one by one.
Regards
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Message 16
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Thursday, 11th August 2011
There is a link to the book here.
The pages you refer to can be accessed on it. Perhaps you could explain your theory.
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Message 17
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Thursday, 11th August 2011
dear
thank you very much, for guidence. in fact I dont know how to bring book links on this board. technically I am poor. But let us make it joint research. here i can not produce pictorial facts too. still let us go ahead . I shall follow your guidence.I can give you all the clues to history. History of Anatolia, Bithynia and Galatia is clue to everything. Anatolia is historical junction. politely I want to say that I have some clues. we can analyse it on this disccussion board. thanks for permitting me to start discission.
regards
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Message 18
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Thursday, 11th August 2011
salute to all.
Now let us start serious discussion one by one point.
Don't think that I am trying to flow my intelgency or over-inteligency. Whatever I am producing here with deep pathos and Grief that i can not express.
(1) Let us start with Isle Of Man. one can find its descripion on page no. 418 of the book of Mr. Koch ,we have put link on the board. You all says that you are sons of Mannus.
now I shall suggest to refer book named "History of Ancient India: From 7300 BC to 4250 BC" by By J.P. Mittal. the book available online. (pl. put link here)Here I am putting page wise book detail. which says that After great Flood 14th Mahu established Ayodhya in Bharatvarsha and ruled there. He was first king of Bharatvarsha. This fact lead us to believe that Manu of Bharatvarsha and Manu you remember is one entity.
P- 90
iT IS THUS CLEAR THAT THERE WERE FLOADS IN INDIA AND IN THE MONTH OF MARCH IN OR ABOUT 6000 B.C. AND THE WHOLE CONTINENT WAS SUBMERGED LEAVING ONLY THE TOPS OF ITS MOUNTAINS AND HIGHER PLACES.
FOUNDING OF AYADHYA
VAIVASWATA MANU WAS SON OF VIVASVANA. AFTER THE FLOODS HE CAME DOWN THE HIMALAYN MOUNTAINS AND FOUNDED A NEW COLONY ON KARTIKA SHUKLS NAVAMI (NOVEMBER)(SATYUGADI) IN NORTHERN PLAINS AND NAMES IT AYODHYA.(ABOUT 6000 B.C.)
VAIVASWATA MANU WAS THE FIRST BUILER OF THE CITY, ITS FIRST KING,THE FIRST TAX RECIEVER AND THE FIRST PUNISHER OF CRIMINALS ACCORDING TO RULES.
The description in both the book gives clues to history.
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Message 19
Posted by Thomas_II (U14690627) on Friday, 12th August 2011
In reply to chandrakantmarwadi:
brother
first of all i am not interested to fish out persons for my face book acount. and I dont insist for it.
First of all: What´s your meaning in addressing me as "brother"?
Second: It´s good if you don´t insist on your invitation to your facebook.
I dont know how to put book link on this board. pl help me in that way. I can show you facts in the book.
That´s quite simple to do. First you open your reply box on here and parellel to this open website you open up a second one with the webpage from where you like to transfer a link. Copy that link from that site and paste it into your reply box here. Then go to preview your message and check if the link is working. If so, you can post your message and everyone interested in that link can get on that page provided.
The other question - and most important - is whether it will remain on these MBs, therefore you better check the house rules again before setting up a link to another website on here.
I´ve got a look on that book via the provided link and for these are extracts of that book where not every page is downloadable, it´s like wandering through an dictionary.
I´m sorry but I think I´m not interested in following this thread, but good luck to you to keep the thread running.
By the way, my name´s Thomas.Link to this forum: Britain has its its roots in Bharatvarsha
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Message 20
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Saturday, 13th August 2011
enclosure to evidence (2)
Breton/ Breizh/ Bahraich -
Dear
If we see at the pages of Book of Mr.koch (link is there on board) there is description of Breizh and Brittany on page no. 240. There is map of Breizh on page no. 243 of the book.
I want to convey that root word of Briezh and Breton is Bahraich. The historic awadh province where Manu founded his capital Ayodhya.
I firmly believe it. These clues can tell story of Great migration
pl react and oblidge. thanks
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Message 21
Posted by Tas (U11050591) on Saturday, 13th August 2011
Would Mr.Chandrakanwardi, kindly take his nonsense elsewhere. It is becoming more and more embarrassing.
Clearly the Aryan peoples emigrated to India many millennia ago , as they emigrated to Persia (Iran ) and to Northern Europe. That is why there a great similarities in some words.
For example the word for Mother in India is typically 'Mata'; in German it is 'Mutter' in English 'Mother'. Similarly the word for father is respectively 'Pita', 'Pidre', Vater, Father. the words for brother and sister also have remarkable similarities: in Persia 'Brader' in German 'Bruder' in English 'Brother'. However, more than that, just because some idiot has written a book, is utter nonsense. A lone book does not constitute research. If there was archeological evidence or other historical evidence it would be worth arguing about. So please leave us to concentrate on real history.
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Message 22
Posted by Tas (U11050591) on Saturday, 13th August 2011
Unless this is your very subtle attempt at humor: If that is the case you are making us laugh so much, we are holding our ribs.
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Message 23
Posted by PaulRyckier (U1753522) on Saturday, 13th August 2011
Personal opinion: better to not feed the....
However we are on a free messageboard and it is up to everyone's responsability and appreciation to do what they think they have to do....
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Message 25
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
dear,
germanic tribe reached there in 500 b.c., hardly 2500 years ago. secondly about Aryan, it is to true swedish, which spells swirge in local swidish language. Ymir and odin mytology all there in north europe.
I agree with it. But In our ancient Indian hsitory, and scfripture we have description that after great flood, Yama , brother of 14th Manu (who founded Ayodhya) reached far west sea shore. Yama founded colony named swarge and narke. means ymir , odin and all happen in north europe. Indian word swarge telly with swirge (sweden). To my surprise there is also Narke province trhere. So both the word swirge- swarge and narke -narke also telly. so you are very right that Aryans were there in europe after great Flood.
But our scriture also talk about 14th Manu. Our sripture says that all previous 13 manu happen to be in Tibet.
So I conclude that aryans were at both the end after Great Flood. Great flood is a evevnt for which no arcdhiological evidences available. Only ancient history can say something. Our history says above facts.Link to this forum: Britain has its its roots in Bharatvarsha
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Message 26
Posted by Thomas_II (U14690627) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
Hi Tas,
Quite frankly, I´ve found it a bit difficult to follow the posts of our new member on here, in his OP and further comments.
I´m not a boffin in ancient history, but I recognise that there are indeed some links taken when it came to the Germanic tribes and the people in India. These assessments are made more by cultural links in search of the "Indogermanic race". That´s a name brought up long before the Nazis. The problem in all that research taken to trace the "Indogermanic" tribes back from where they came, which is agreed by historians that it was an area of the Indian subcontinent, is that all this has been overshadowed by the perverted ideology of the Nazis.
I´d like to give just one example on a symbol. The swastika, well know for its display in NS-Ideology was used as a symbol for a "Sun-wheal" and it is still used in Tibet in their culture. The forebears of the Nazis took that symbol from that part of culture, probably also because someone in some time took it earlier (maybe back to the medieval centuries). Some historians had argued that there is little evidence that this symbol has been of use by ancient Germanic tribes as a symbolic display with the equal meaning related to the Sun.
I have a couple of old Atlases in my collection of old maps (I regard them merely as artworks in their shape, as well as of information on the displayed countrie). To one Atlas there was a referrence book dated from 1895. All pages most text but even a couple of world maps. One of these were referring to the "human races" in the world. You won´t believe me but for the main area of the USA there was written "Germanic". After I´ve read some pages in that book, I decided to throw it away because it was written in a style not far from what went on some 30 years after this book was published. Well, that´s what one get from books published in the 19th century and they didn´t thought bad in all this. So in my opinion all that stuff with the "Indogermanic" tribes is a thing taken up in the 19th century, even if this word had been created by the ancient Romans, as they invented the "Germans" by that name, the meaning of it changed.
Some time ago I´ve seen a documentary on the German TV in which a team was up to search for some descendants of the "Aryan race". The searched in some areas in Asia and they found just one girl with blue eyes and blond hair in Kazachstan. She lived - when I recall it well - among a tribe of Nomades.
One might had to know a bit more about the history of India, especially in the ancient times to check whether our new member is just waffling something from a book which author has collected parts from different books or if there is some evidence that proofes what he tells.
I know about just a few Germans which on the turn of the 19th to the 20th century were very fond of India. One of them is the famous poet and writer Hermann Hesse. The other is a Mr. Jung, but he was more interested in Tao-ism. But as far as I know, they had no intention in setting up a link between Europe and India regarding some common ancestors.
There are still things to discover about ancient history and because there are little or none records of periods before the ancient Greeks and Romans, it is a wide field for interpretations, until some Archeologist finds some evidences in favour or against some interpretations.
Cheers,
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Message 27
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
here i am not trying to make you understand something. In fcat I want your help to understan some facts of european soil. The discussion should not be one way only.
Pl. you help me to know that why Viena"s original name was Vindobana. It is cradle of Germanic tribe who reached there in 500 B.c..
secondly say me something about Illyrains. In our INDIAN history and scriptureS ila was daughter of Manu(Who founded Ayodhya). PL YOU GUIDE ME ABAOUT iLYRIANS AND vINDOBANA? i WANT TO KNOW ABOUT pANNONI PROVINCE OF ANCIENT EUROPE. iN iNDIA WE SAYA " iLAVANSHI TO SONS OF iLA . iS THERE ANY CONNECTION BETWEEN iLYRIAN AND iLAVANSH? i WANT ANSWER TO IT. o K, MY POINTS MAKE YOU LAUGH. NO PROBLEM. i MAY BE WRONG. bUT YOU PL EXPLAIN ABOVE POINTS AND OBLIGE.
THANKS FOR YOUR REACTION
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Message 28
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
THANK YOU DEER
i HAVE STUDIED GERMANIC TRIBES. THE WORD vINDOBAN (vIENA), PANNONI (aNCIENT PROVINCE FOR WHAT ROME AND GERMAN FOUGHT), THE WORD iLLYRIANS, tHE WORD iSCVONES ARE CLUES. tHE CLUE TO iNDIAN SUB -CONTINENT. tHEIR TRIBES NAME ARE ANCIENT PROVINCES oF iNDIA..
AND MIGRATON OCCURRED AT THE TIME OF SAVIOUR DROUGHT. WE CAN REACH UP TO SOME CONCLUSION IF ANYBODY OF YOU CAN EXPLAIN ABOVE WORDS. BELIEVE ME I HAVE I HAVE EXPLANATION TO ABOVE ALL WORD. i HOPE THAT iF WE CONTINUE DISCUSSING PATIENCEFULLY THAN WE CAN COONECT HISTORY. i HAVE GOT MY EXPLANATION TO ALL ANCIENT GERMANIC TRIBES.
THANKS FOR YOUR COOMENT AND HELP ME TO KNOW ABOUT ABOVE GERMANIC WORDS.
REGARDA
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Message 29
Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
Please do not use block capitals in a message! It is called "shouting" and is considered very rude.
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Message 30
Posted by Thomas_II (U14690627) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
In reply to chandrakantmarwadi:
It´s recommended on here to not write all in big letters because this means you´re shouting at one. You better take this advise if you´re inteded to remain on these boards, because otherwise you´re making no friends on here at all.
The names of tribes and regions you´re referring to are in my opinion only given by the ancient Romans. Given that with each tribe having its own dialect of a language one can hardly tell of being a common language among these various tribes.
I admit that regarding the names of some ancient German tribes, they sound all but not what we know as German today (in referring to the German language).
As I said in my previous post, that there are little records - aside from what Tacitus wrote - about the culture and language of these ancient tribes, it leaves a wide field of interpretation but as well of constructing links to similarities which are hardly to proof. I wonder where you´ll take the evidences from if not from that book you´ve mentioned which seems to be no evidence to most posters on here.
You´ve had a bad start on here with the more disturbing than thought provoking title of your thread.
I would suggest, that for it is you who has made the assemptions as in the title of your thread and your opening post, it´s up to you to come forward with explanations and evidences on the topic.
PS: Can you please check your post before posting, because I´m not a "Deer"
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Message 31
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
dear,
sorry for misspaling.
In fact I am researching since four years.But I want some one there who can telly and judge the facts I come across. If anybody there say me meaning of Vindobana (Original name of Viena), Avanticun (presentday day Avanches in switzerland , which was previouly called Halevatia), the meaning of Historical Pannoni province.than we can proceed further. In India we had same name - Avanti- it was ancient kingdom. In India we have vrindavan. The Halastat culture tellys with Balram culture - Who was Hari cul Ish . Mr. Todd mentions that the word "Hercules" and Hari cul Ish are synonym word.
In France you have got Monthrex sur saone city on saon river bank. In India we have -Mathura city- were sursaines ruled. all this facts puzzle me. I think that there is strong relation between Europe and Bharatvarsha.
If anybody know meaning of above mentioned European names, I want to listen to it. These are places which connect ancient india and Europe.
I am in search of that person.
If anybody helps me in this direction than I am sure we can connect history. I have facts on myside
thanks
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Message 32
Posted by Thomas_II (U14690627) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
In reply to chandrakantmarwadi:
The problem on here might be that less people know much about the history and culture of India to follow your explanations. I for myself know very little, just something about Gandhi.
Vindobonum is just a name for the settlement of the ancient Romans upon those ruines Vienna was build. Vienna has its name from a small river that is also called "Vienna" in German "Wien". This small river is connected to and ending in the Danube.
Pannonia is the name for the landscape which is the "Pusta" in Hungary, named for its shape but I can´t recall any connection to a tribe settling there.
What has the Hallstatt-Culture in common with Balram-Culture?
You see, you´re throwing in some assertions and you don´t tell what is behind this Indian culture. So how should one be able to follow your thoughts if you´re not telling more about that?
Maybe it would do you a bit more if you´d start a new thread on the Ancient and Archaeology MB. Just to form your thread title different from that one here and rather like a question.
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Message 33
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
In reply to your quetion
What has the Hallstatt-Culture in common with Balram-Culture?
I have following facts on my side
- Vindobonum/ vrindavan
- krishna and Balram (Hari cul Ish) brought up at vrindavan. It is on the bank of river Yamuna. Krishna is our God and Balram was his elder brother. Sat - chitt and Anand (eternity, knowledge and bliss) flows from Krishna. Balram carries only two element sout of These three that is - Sat (eternity) and chitt( knowledge).
Balram had one weapon and that is Plough. Mr Todd signals possibilities of migration Haricule Ish after great war (That is Mahabharat)
Balram was carrier of Pluogh as weapon. In Indian language plough is called - Hal- ,(it is first word of Hal-statt). statt stands for Indian word - Sat (eternity) and chitt ( knowledbe). If you look at the coat of arms of ancient Halastatt village ( which is on unesco list) than it is plough it self.
The facts lead me to believe that Illyrian tribes stand for ilavanshi ( ila the doughter of Manu.) In India we call these tribes chandravanshi ( moon line) too.
The root word of celtic lead us to Kamboj tribes of ancient India. Balram and krishna also belong to Illyrian or chandravanshi tribe.
The present coat of arm of Halstatt village as well as name itself has indian root. There is - Black forest- from where Danube origin. We have got - Shyam van (black forest)- in vrindavan. Germanic tribe first establish deity - Abnoba - at origin of Danube. In india we have got mother Ambem.
Hala statt and la ten culture prevailed there for long. In Indiaian sub continent we had DashRajan( ten kings) culture in ancient time.
all this facts whispers that vindobana was vrindavan culture.
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Message 34
Posted by cloudyj (U1773646) on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
Does this thread remind anyone else of this classic 鶹Լ show?
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Message 35
Posted by Tas (U11050591) on Wednesday, 17th August 2011
Dear Thomas,
I think the present peoples of Germany have nothing to do with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party and so they do not need to be on the defensive and apologize about that era.
We all are aware that there is a connection between the Aryan peoples who migrated from Central Asia to Iran, India and a third branch went to Europe to become the German people. However, a lot of history has happened since then. For examples, there were the Romans who built many cities and monuments, like in Trier and Cologne.
I do not think there is any evidence that once the Aryans had settled in India they had anything to do with Germany. So any one trying to say that certain names from ancient Indian kingdoms, like that of Harsha and Chandragupta is just a lot of wishful thinking.
I think India and Germany and Austria, for that matter have, since the migration of Ancient times, very distinct histories. Each has achieved a lot.
The Swastika used by the Nazis was indeed taken from Ancient India, but the Nazis Swastika was backwards to the Indian Swastika. Hitler attempted to create the myth of the Aryan race as something mythical. Since most of the upper-echelon Nazis were not very intellectual, they grasped for anything they could find and stumbled on the old Backward Swastika, which they adopted as their chief symbol.
I think this debate is pointless since there is no proof whatsoever of any connection between ancient India and Germany except one of common ancestry, going back to the Aryan peoples.
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Message 36
Posted by Thomas_II (U14690627) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
Hi Tas,
I do not think there is any evidence that once the Aryans had settled in India they had anything to do with Germany. So any one trying to say that certain names from ancient Indian kingdoms, like that of Harsha and Chandragupta is just a lot of wishful thinking.
That´s quite right, but maybe the OP is rather a try to assess some similarities in names rooting back to a once common hub of language. This doesn´t mean that the development of culture and language of people, origine from the same ancient hub hadn´t been different envolved.
The OP intself was in its start more disturbing and the title of the thread rather misleading. Quite frankly, I´ve often wondered about the names of the ancient German tribes which sounded in compare what we understand as German not that typical German. I admit that the comparisions sound far fetched and rather to be taken as you said "more wishful thinking".
One point in all that is, that from the people of the ancient times there is less record left to tracing their former language. Some of that remaines in the Scandinavian languages, except Finland. Given that the besides the dialects each tribe has had in ancient times, there might had been some common ground on which these different Germanic tribes had been able to communicate among with each other as to say to have something like a "intertribal" language.
What we know about these people, we know from the records of the Romans, describing and depicting them. Scientists who are dealing with remaines of the ancient Germans and trying to translate writings of them, which were just made in Runes to leafe a message but - as far as I recall - barely messages of long extent, can translate them from the Rune-writing into the latin writing, but what they get is something of an foreign language. In this cases you have to interprete these things and rely on what former scientists found out, may it be right or wrong is another question.
It is said that the Romans had an high level of culture, but I think that the Romans adopted that from the ancient Greeks and I don´t know about a connection from the ancient Greeks to the Egyptians. These high cultures were situated in a warmer climate with no Winter, as in the North of Europe. I think that such conditions are also a point in developing skills and culture to a high standard.
I think this debate is pointless since there is no proof whatsoever of any connection between ancient India and Germany except one of common ancestry, going back to the Aryan peoples.
I think that this is the point the OP has it´s intention to search for further aspects that might give some evidence to that theory.
But you´re right, there seem to be less attraction on this thread and I might as well cease to contribute to it.
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Message 37
Posted by Tas (U11050591) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
Hi Thomas,
When ancient people migrate, as time evolves there are changes in their language which eventfully changes so much that there is just a vistage of their ancient language left. I can see that in my own family history, which originated in ancient Afghanistan and changed their language almost completely over the course of centuries in to the languages of Northern India. Because, they went out and talked to a lot of other men and their language changed completely. The women remained largely inside the home, end they retained for quite a while vistages of the old Afghan language of their fore fathers. So you could see similarities in the two languages right up to the last century.
Thus with the North Indians and the Germans and the Persians. Certain words were retained. It is not just coincidence that certain words are so similar between the two spoken languages: word like 'Brader', 'Bruder; for sister 'Khwaher' in Persian; Scwester in German and so on it goes. Once settled in their new land, there was no further communication because of the vast distances between them. In ancient times it was very difficult for people to travele from India to Europe, or from Europe to India or China for that matter, so all contact was lost. The relationship of the German people to the Romans or Greeks is a completely different relationship, from another direction.
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Message 38
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
I am putting some more evidence now.
(1)There is Hill of Tara in Ireland. Goddess Tara has tibetan origin. If you read about Ireland, then there were four tribes of Tara dwelling there. One of tribe's name was Ui Dron. They were called descendents of Dron. We in india Dron was teacher of Pandava (five brothers) who won Mahabharat war. Cunti was their mother. In scotish language Count was pronounced "Coonti".
(2) Near Perthshire there is Dron parish and there is rocking stone of Dron there. In India One of Pandava;s name was Parth (Arjun). he was disciple of Dron.
(3) If one look at the tribe map of Ireland then , there is cocani and Gangani tribes in map . World know that river Ganga flows in India. cocaki tribe dwel in south India.
(4) scotish and Irish people l were worshiper of Goddess Chalisch. In our Indian tradtion we have goddess mother Kali. Calisch is sanskrit word.
(5) Ancient Druid tradition of Europe also prevailed in ancient India. There is no differene between Drawid people south india and European Druid tradition. They are wordhipper of ancient Godesses , as well as Vishnu (prime god of Aryan Race). Druid tradition stands for "Druv" , a seer who gone to wild jungle, for austerrity. Druv is cemtral character of Indian Mythology.
I am not thinking in all this direction willfuly. suddenly I found it all. These all things puzzle me. In fact I was searching afghanistan. From there I got clues and reached here.
If anybopdy want to discuss on my thread, I am ready for it. It is disturbing and embarracing at your part and painful at my part . I have still more facts.
Any how thanks.
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Message 39
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
Please identify your sources for the comments you make above in relation to Ireland.
For example your assertion that "Tara" relates to a "goddess" of the same name is based on false supposition on your part. "Tara" is an anglicisation of the Irish word "Teamhairigh" (genitive case of "hill" or "crag" - "teamhar") and has nothing to do with a goddess at all. It is pointless therefore to attempt to draw either a phonetic or semantic parallel with any supposed Tibetan root without first understanding these two basic and evident aspects to the name.
Ui Dron? This relates to an O'Ryan clan centered in modern day Carlow (the townland Idrone exists to this day). They were not a "tribe" (they were a family descended from a king of Leinster, Drona or Dronna). They did not live in or near Tara. They were founded and thrived many centuries after Tara's function as a royal centre had ended.
Your etmological "link" between Ptolemy's presumed "gangani" and the Ganges river is interesting, if only in that opens the possibility that the inhabitants of Botswana were therefore obeying the same motive when naming their own "Ghanzhi" (a closer rendition phonetically) and not, as we have all been led to believe, naming it for the Naro term for "swollen buttocks".Link to this forum: Britain has its its roots in Bharatvarsha
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Message 40
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
Dear
about Tara you may be right. But In India we have got Tarapith. while in Estonian mythology I found Tharapita. Both the words are synonym word in pronounciation too. Taaralinn was called city of Tara. There is discription that In Finland and spacially in the country of Janakkala Tavastian worshiped Tara. When Tara flew to Saaremaa there created Lake kali.
In ancient indian tradition we believe kali and Tara of equal status. Both different forms only. MOre over there is tradition to suffix every town name with "Maa". In indian tradition we call Maa to goddess. Janak kala is pure Indian word.
All this facts lead me to believe that Tara is same Goddess. In Estonia it connects with kali lake too.
secondly I came to know that viron tribes was dwelling in Afghanistan. In Estonia vironian tribe dwell . Afghanistan is very near to Tibet. all these facts lead me to believe that Tara Goddess and Tara hill is same deity.
you pl explain druid tradition I mention. I mention it as link.
regards
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Message 41
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
Dear
wikipedia says that Tara is mother Tara. you pl go to this link and read more. Tibetan Tara has connection with Tara hill. technically still I cant know how to put link here. Foer that sorry.
Secondly you pl refer to list of celtic tribes. one finds there Ui dron tribe. Only in 11th century the name tranformed to O'Ryan clan. pl. refer this and help me to understand the facts in proper perspactive.
thanks
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Message 42
Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
You can put anything on Wikipedia!
Do please stop beginning your messages with "Dear". As most of us profoundly disagree with you and think these theories are complete rubbish, it seems rather hypocritical to address us with such familiarity.Link to this forum: Britain has its its roots in Bharatvarsha
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Message 43
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
Citing a wikipedia page which itself carries a warning about lack of citation supporting its assertions is not evidence of any serious research, on your part I'm afraid. I await more trustworthy sources with interest.
By the way - in London music hall they had Tara-ra-boomdiay. Surprised you omitted it.Link to this forum: Britain has its its roots in Bharatvarsha
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Message 44
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
dear,
Here discussion point is History period - before 2000 or 2500. years. Harsha and Gupta are not subject matters. History period streches from Alexander's invasion and before. Herodotus and strabo gives clues to germanic tribes and other ancient history of europe. We have to enter that Zone. Than we can find link. I am talking on their thread.
so pl remain in discussion and oblige. I am sure i can convince you. secondly now I am technicaly mature neough to put proper links on this board.
Herodotus and strabo gives clues. we shall use those clues and proceed further If you permit me. We shall take help of above ancient Historian to understand the history of anatolia. FRom where history begin.
thanks
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Message 45
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
ok , will you pl explain me who where illyrians? Who were tharce? what does it mean? and their ancestory? let me learn from you now .
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Message 46
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
"Teamhairigh" - "Tarkameya"
you stated that "Tara" is an anglicisation of the Irish word "Teamhairigh" (genitive case of "hill" or "crag" - "teamhar") and has nothing to do with a goddess at all.
Against this statement I want to put our ancient mythical facts. The war broke out between Indra and chandra for Tara. A terrible war then ensued which became known as "Tarkameya".
Is it possible that Tara hill is memory of that event? Irish word "Teamhairigh" and Sanskrit word of ancient indian scripture "Tarkameya" does not look similar?
here it is link to indian scripture record.
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Message 47
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Thursday, 18th August 2011
If you're discussing 2000 to 2500 years ago then you can omit reference to the Ui Drona family. They hadn't been invented yet.
If you believe history began in Anatolia then I am afraid you will resent any further input from me since I labour under the impression that it might be a bit older.
Good luck with the remainder of your research and I hope you succeed in locating more dependable sources.Link to this forum: Britain has its its roots in Bharatvarsha
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Message 48
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Friday, 19th August 2011
"if you believe history began in Anatolia then I am afraid you will resent any further input from me since I labour under the impression that it might be a bit older."
My reply - you have misunderstood me. During my research work I found clues from History of Anatolia. so it is my centre -point. History spread before and after. For me I found first clue in Anatolia.
I reguest you to explain me meaning Of Illyrians and thrace I found in Anatolia. can you do that? This are the clues. As per my interpretation - illyrans stands for ilavanshi (sons of ila , daughter of Manu). please tell me, am I right or wrong? If I am wrong than please explain their ancestory as per european history pl. I shall be thankful to you.Link to this forum: Britain has its its roots in Bharatvarsha
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Message 49
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Things from different cultures sounding the same are seldom reason enough to investigate a common root. You appear to back-handedly recognise this when you attempt to imply a semantic commonality to the phrases you arbitrarily cite, as well as when you enthusiastically accept blatantly incorrect historical presumptions without question.
Instead of declaring that you are either right or wrong to imply a link between the Greek genetic eponym "Illyria" and Hindu myth, I would prefer that you explain what you "found" in Anatolia which led you to this conclusion. I am particularly interested in how, using the same reasoning, you exclude or include other names and words starting with "Il", "Ill" or "Ila" which abound in many languages not all of which are unconnected to either area.
What is known about Illyria is that the phrase originated in Doric Greek and was apparently at first restricted to a small area and probably a single small tribe, but was later expanded to include much of what now constitutes the western Balkan states. It was etiologically ascribed by the Greeks to a character in Greek myth, as was the practise of the day.
Just to indicate the danger of formulating theory based on faulty presumption on your part, your request to "explain" the "European ancestry" of all Illyrians forces me to ask you which Illyrians you are referring to? Especially since the Greeks did not helpfully distinguish between them in terms of origin but lumped them together in terms of relative geographical proximity. So, are you enquiring in fact about the Albani, Ardiaei, Autariatae, Bathiatae, Bylliones, Deretini, Cavii, Chelidones, Daorsi, Dassareti, Deuri, Dyestes, Kinambroi, Enchelei, Melcumani, Narensi, Penestae, Sardeates or Selepitani? In greater Illyria are you enquiring about the Dalmatae, Baridustae, Docleatae, Pleraei, Endirudini, Sasaei, Grabaei, Labeates, Deraemestae, Oxuaioi, Hemasini, Arthitae, Armistae, Taulantii, Abri, Parthini, Amantini, Breuci, Colapiani, Daesitiates, Pirustae, Scirtari, Glintidiones, Ceraunii, Siculotae, Segestani, Maezaei, Andizetes, Azali, Ditiones, Jasi, Oseriates, Dicti or Atintani?
We have no clue as to how much common ancestry these tribes possessed. But they were all classed as Illyrian on the basis of an initial Doric encounter with one of them. Can you elucidate perhaps on which of these are relevant to your theory?Link to this forum: Britain has its its roots in Bharatvarsha
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Message 50
Posted by chandrakantmarwadi (U14950734) on Friday, 19th August 2011
Thank you .In fact similarity between so many words : as like Manu, Ila(Manu,s Daughter) , Hasting and Hastinapur of ancient India, Dron and ui Dron , Tara , river name like Thames ( which originaly pronounced Tamas - The same river flow in India . River Arun (the same river flow in India and similarity between ancient culture prompted me to believe that britain as well as European and ancient Bharatvarsha (not todays India) have bondage.
secondly I found Cocani tribe in Anatolia, same tribe I found in Ireland and in Iberia too. The Druidic tradition is also same. some Georophical names of Iberia also match ancient Indian names. This all things puzlze me.
Finland and lativia- Estonia were Tavastians , worshiper of Tara . secondly I found that they were followers of kunta tradition. There is Sat kunta -maa Kunta province too there in finland. It reminds me of pandava who faught and won mahabharat war (probably you say it Great war- my presumption. )The northern people enered britain and Founded kingdom of Hastinga. They introduced word county ( scotish pro.Cunntii). This all facts puzle me.
I presumed that they are ilyrians and Pandava too.
Pandava migrated to himataya after great war. suddenly I found Cunta culture in Finland. I found Hasting. The same name and same tradition.
I dont know much about european history, that is true. In fact I was reseaching Afghanistan. From there I got clue that There was largescale migration from Afghanistan in ancient time. Just for the sake of hobby I decided to search those Afghan tribes (who were followers of vedic religion) in europe. I entered europe in search of those tribes. I found some tribes and so many similarity. Suddenly I reached to new facts.
There is Baltistan in pak occupied kashmir, while therer is Baltic Zone in europe. There is Balkh in afghanistan while in europe Balkan. Illyrians were there in Balkan province. so I presumed They are Ilavanshi( son of Ila- Ila duaghter of Manu.
I remain very logical to my research. then I come across so many similarity suddenly. I was so logical that all facts I encountered disturbed me.
In fact I started with historical research and suddenly it tranfrred to research of faith. My inner sense says that I am in right direction. But I can not prove anything, that is problem.
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