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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Where is today's quiz, then?
Can't find it anywhere! -
Message 2
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Go on then, set us a question please.
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Message 3
Posted by Catigern (U14419012) on Friday, 29th April 2011
I have three questions to set...
1) Who was the worse tyrant - Charles II or Pol Pot?
2) Who was the more treacherous - Richard III or Judas Iscariot?
3) Who was the more uncouth - Owen Glendower or Harry Enfield's Wayne Slob?
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Message 4
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Friday, 29th April 2011
1) Yes.
2) No.
3) Maybe. -
Message 5
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Friday, 29th April 2011
On a more serious note I would have thought that there might have been a few questions on royal brides and/or royal dukes on a day like today!
How about this one which concerns perhaps the most famous non-royal bride, a royal duke and a wedding guest (as guest invitations or the absence of them hasalso been in the news):
Which future head of state was present at the wedding of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor in 1937? -
Message 6
Posted by shivfan (U2435266) on Friday, 29th April 2011
This is just a guess....
Charles deGaulle? -
Message 7
Posted by Minette Minor (U14272111) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Dear, darling Catigern, whoever you may be (I've not got the foggiest!) I shall give you your heart's desire, you have driven me from the Boards. I'm afriad I missed your last abusive message (hidden) it must have been a blast! I don't have the time or inclination to follow this place anymore as I used to, Life and silly things get in the way but it, or should that be they, must have been corkers.
Thankyou ferval for being so noble and kind inspite of the fact that I am "wicked" and of course you Tas. Incidentally Cat have you ever met or talked to Hutton? I have. He lacked gravitas but may you cling to his writings and to your "beliefs" like the "intelligent gentleman" you are.
One thing about this place is that when under fire you know who your true historical "friends" are. Oddly women are involved here. Caro, I read what you said with hope, only to see you almost believe me to be very nasty too. Dear Sweet Sister Temperence! I took the nick name of the youngest, most insignificent sister of Charles II, Madame, killed at 27. You took that of Edward VI for the Great Elizabeth I. Not so humble after all. Never mind all that "humble stuff" you absorb and read widely, quoting voraciously, everyone's friend because you are still "learning"? I actually encouraged you to be "bolder" when first here, (I am "wicked" and yet so naive?) now I am to be burned, (what frivolity?) and like the person called Catigern (who is he?) I am a "twit" and "ninny". Please give references and justification for this. Et tu Brute? With friends like you...Guard your backs? In a jocular manner! Was that Margaret Beaufort I saw sliding past? Oh the sadness upon reading this, I MUST be mad! Don't worry I am going!
So to answer 1) Pol Pot of course. Your school of thought needs no discussion just bigotry. 3) Owain Glyndwr, due to being Welsh - this is aimed at me I think I know not why. BUT 2) Is beyond your mind. I think you know little of theology, what a silly question! Christianity to you is like Empathy to Hitler. Jesus had twelve/thirteen official disciples. The New Testament has only Four official Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Easter is all about Christ's resurrection from the dead and he was a man. The son of God made man.
IF someone had NOT "betrayed" him then we would not have had the Crusifixtion NOR HIS Resurrection from the dead and so no Chistianity.NOT Holy Rollers but the real "Sermon on the Mount" kind. More and more research is being carried out into the Testaments of the other Disciples, Judas being one of them, and if it were NOT for Judas then there would be NO Christianity as we know it today. Judas the scapegoat and despised or Jesus the Jew. But you don't have a brain. It makes me angry that you can't understand the most simple of things. Like the Vatican you cover up and join the throng. You ARE the throng! Go for the obvious. Thought is too painful. St Paul appointed women Bishops, St Joanna for one, the tip of the mysogonist Iceburg...
As for the rest...You bore me. As I've said I have no idea who you are but you are too rude and too unpleasant to engage with. You are not even funny, let alone an intellectual challenge. You are so predictable. But you have done me a favour. I've often found this place distracting, not many of my firends like History, I've come here to vent spleen and thoughts.
As a vox pops many, many kind people have helped me, where to begin? Andrew Spencer, SST in a good mood( The red hair DNA pool), Casserleon, Shufflin Peasant, Michael Hesaltine, Sweet Lake, Tim Whittle (he's married happily again!) Paul and Tas the remaining and esteemed gentlemen of these Boards. I know I'll think tonight, "what about so and so"! As my swan song I actually care but not enough to be ridiculed at regular intervals. It's a matter of honour.
I want to "tear the heads off" people whom I care about when they are so abused so why should I stand for it and allow myself to be ridiculed at regular intervals? By Catigern the hopeless? Emmititus Professor in scuba diving and hospitalitaly and hairdressing at the University of Burke, Oxford..Please a better contender and it would have been nicer to have more "real friends"! One last post to make, then dip in an' dive sessions. Catigern you are too thick to be a Nemisis, only evidence of what a cheap and spiteful mind can do. Ends. (Will he do it to others? Probably using different names.Do I care? Which female has a mind of her own? You are next.) -
Message 8
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Friday, 29th April 2011
This is just a guess....
Charles deGaulle?Ìý Close, but no cigar, shiv, or should I say Gauloise? -
Message 9
Posted by Minette Minor (U14272111) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Was he posh enough? Good thought Shifvan and you may be right but the chic Windsors ....Would they have had an army sergant at their "bash"!? Perhaps Pompideau as a page boy? A wild guess! From an evil person.
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Message 10
Posted by Minette Minor (U14272111) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Simeon de Beauvouir's friend..... that extetentionalist chappie, a womaniser and idiot....What is his name?!
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Message 11
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Petain perhaps?
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Message 12
Posted by Minette Minor (U14272111) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Simeon de Beauvouir's friend..... that extetentionalist chappie, a womaniser and idiot....What is his name?! He's quite famous today....
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Message 13
Posted by Minette Minor (U14272111) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Apologies my mouse has lost the plot!
Aologies, my mouse has lost the plot! -
Message 14
Posted by Catigern (U14419012) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Dear, darling Catigern...Ìý
Methinks someone has been 'celebrating' the royal wedding a bit too enthusiastically today...
Incidentally Cat have you ever met or talked to Hutton?Ìý
Yes.
But you don't have a brain. It makes me angry that you can't understand the most simple of thingsÌý
She's right, you know - it was my sex appeal that got me those degrees...
Michael HesaltineÌý
What - 'Tarzan' , Mrs Thatcher's Defence Secretary? Must admit I missed his contributions...
By Catigern the hopeless? Emmititus Professor in scuba diving and hospitalitaly and hairdressing at the University of Burke, Oxford.Ìý
That's actually quite funny, if one ignores the spelling...
How I shall miss Minette (if she actually *means it* about quitting the boards, this time...). -
Message 15
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Friday, 29th April 2011
I don't think J-P Sartre was into marriage let alone weddings annd I don't think he qualifies as a Head of State! In June 1937 De Gaulle was a colonel not a sergeant. Petain, no, I think he was retired even then before being pulkled out of retirement to become French Ambassador to Franco in early 1939.
Minette has the point although Pompidou was slightly older than a pageboy as he was a few weeks off his 26th birthday and a recent graduate of the Ecole normale Superieur and present as an assistant to the Prefect of Indre, the Department in which the marriage took place at the Cahteau de Cand, who was there to present a floral gift from the then French PM, Leon Blum as this account from the then "Manchester Guardian" recounts:
How far distant are the 1937 Windsors from the Cambridges of 2011.
Your go, Minette. -
Message 16
Posted by Silver Jenny (U12795676) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Someone not too far away may have a sore head in the morning methinks.
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Message 17
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Should read "Chateau de Cande", of course. Apologies. Pompidou was of course De Gaulle's successor as French President in 1969 and President when the Duke of Windsor died at his villa in the Bois-de-Boulogne in 1972.
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Message 18
Posted by Catigern (U14419012) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Dear Sweet Sister Temperence! I took the nick name of the youngest, most insignificent sister of Charles II, Madame, killed at 27. You took that of Edward VI for the Great Elizabeth I. Not so humble after all. Never mind all that "humble stuff" you absorb and read widely, quoting voraciously, everyone's friend because you are still "learning"? I actually encouraged you to be "bolder" when first here, (I am "wicked" and yet so naive?) now I am to be burned, (what frivolity?) and like the person called Catigern (who is he?) I am a "twit" and "ninny". Please give references and justification for this. Et tu Brute? With friends like you...Guard your backs? In a jocular manner! Was that Margaret Beaufort I saw sliding past? Oh the sadness upon reading this, I MUST be mad! Don't worry I am going!Ìý
Being perfectly serious, for a moment, I do think, Minette, that you are being unduly harsh on poor Temperence, who just wants to learn without taking sides in spats. She has stood up for you on numerous occasions, and has 'stuck her neck out' and risked my ire to do so (eg by suggesting that you and I are of comparable ability). She is your friend, and has never simply dismissed you as a 'ninny' or a 'twit' without making it perfectly clear that she thinks your behaviour a temporary deviation from worthy contributions. You should realise who your friends are, and accept that they are not obliged to support you in absolutely everything you say and do, but may sometimes criticise, mildly, in the hope of steering you back to a course that allows them to be proud of you.
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Message 19
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Well done catigern… very well put… and in the style of a gentleman.
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Message 20
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Friday, 29th April 2011
Catigern, it's a pleasure to, in my self appointed role as milk monitor, offer you an extra bottle and a gold star for responding to provocation in a measured and effective manner.
Keep it up!
Now minette, it's up to you to display some emotional continence otherwise you will get the bottle that's been sitting in the sun and has curdled and sourness, as you know, is never pleasant. -
Message 21
Posted by Catigern (U14419012) on Saturday, 30th April 2011
But it's so much more *fun* being vicious and villainous...
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Message 22
Posted by islanddawn (U7379884) on Saturday, 30th April 2011
That may well be but it is also extremely irritating to find yet another thread selfishly interrupted with Minette's infantile personal attacks on any who dare to disagree with her.
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Message 23
Posted by Tas (U11050591) on Saturday, 30th April 2011
Minette,
You may mean Jean Paul Sartre, bu I think that is not who Allan means. I am trying to think what future 'head of State' would be there. I am still trying to think.
I never seem to be able to solve these quizzes, and then when the answer is given, I say "but of course!" like the guy in the Grey Poupon commercial.
Tas -
Message 24
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Saturday, 30th April 2011
I've just read this in the Daily Mail: 'Prince William showed supreme unflappability as he gently fought with an obstreperous band of Welsh gold.'
In truth, I'm the one with a very sore head this morning. To my delight (I can't resist bragging here) I won our Village Hall Royal Quiz yesterday and I got a magnum - yes a *magnum* - of Harrods champagne. Actually pretty disgusting plonk in a very posh bottle, but we drank the lot last night and I feel awful today.
What a great day. I cried all the way through 'Ubi caritas et amor ibi Deus est' and later got into a very unseemly argument about what it meant. I still say it means 'Where there is charity and love, there also is God'. -
Message 25
Posted by Catigern (U14419012) on Saturday, 30th April 2011
Congrats on your
quiz win, Temp - were there any questions along the lines of 'Which Bad King cruelly murdered his two innocent young nephews?'...?
Not really bothered how you translate 'Ubi caritas...', but I do hope you won the fight...
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Message 26
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Saturday, 30th April 2011
should silence the caritics
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Message 27
Posted by CASSEROLEON (U11049737) on Saturday, 30th April 2011
How did Jean Paul Sartre come into contention?..
re the Windors just a stab in the dark as the Windsors were very attached to the Med- and Grace Kelly got remembered yesterday for very obvious reasons- what about Prince Ranier of Monaco.. It is a state.. And it was very interesting to see that the present Prince is engaged to a South African swimmer.. If I remember correctly back in the privileged wealthy Irish-American world that provided two elements of "dream couples" -J.F. Kennedy and Grace Kelly- before getting into acting Grace two had been a promising competitive swimmer.
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Message 28
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Saturday, 30th April 2011
How did Jean Paul Sartre come into contention?..
Ìý
Because Betty-Muriel was the girl in the Herbert Farjeon song "I've danced with a man, who's danced with a girl, who's danced with the Prince of Wales" -
Message 29
Posted by Hazel (U14354588) on Saturday, 30th April 2011
I don't think J-P Sartre was into marriage let alone weddings annd I don't think he qualifies as a Head of State! In June 1937 De Gaulle was a colonel not a sergeant. Petain, no, I think he was retired even then before being pulkled out of retirement to become French Ambassador to Franco in early 1939.
Minette has the point although Pompidou was slightly older than a pageboy as he was a few weeks off his 26th birthday and a recent graduate of the Ecole normale Superieur and present as an assistant to the Prefect of Indre, the Department in which the marriage took place at the Cahteau de Cand, who was there to present a floral gift from the then French PM, Leon Blum as this account from the then "Manchester Guardian" recounts:
How far distant are the 1937 Windsors from the Cambridges of 2011.
Your go, Minette.Ìý The Duke of Windsor would have been William's Great Great Uncle.
Charles is William's father
Elizabeth is Charles's mother so is William's grandmother
George is Elizabeth's father so is William's great grandfather
Duke of Windsor is George's brother so is William's Great Great uncle -
Message 30
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Saturday, 30th April 2011
allegedly ....
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Message 31
Posted by Caro (U1691443) on Saturday, 30th April 2011
'Ubi caritas et amor ibi Deus est' and later got into a very unseemly argument about what it meant. I still say it means 'Where there is charity and love, there also is God'.Ìý
What else can it mean, Temperance? It's a while since I did Latin, but I can't see any other meaning. What word/words were they arguing about? -
Message 32
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Sunday, 1st May 2011
It's a while since I did Latin, but I can't see any other meaning. What word/words were they arguing about? Ìý
It had been a while since any of *us* had done any proper Latin either: no one had actually progressed beyond 'O' or possibly 'A'-Level forty or even fifty years before. That didn't stop us arguing of course, all of us trying to show off how clever we thought we were. What a hilarious scene from English village life it was on Friday - Jane Austen would have loved it - she'd have had a field-day with us! It was all reasonably good-natured though.
The first dispute was over 'are'. "There isn't a word for 'are,' " I was told, "so it can't be 'Where charity and love *are*... ' " "It's understood," I replied crossly. "Only by you," came the withering (and incorrect) rejoinder .
I then, to the unkind delight of my main opponent, got myself in a real muddle over 'ubi'. The words had been flashed up briefly on the screen, but I misread it as 'urbi', as in 'urbi et orbi'. That crass error was pounced on with glee. It's *ubi* not *urbi* was shrieked across the table at me. I remembered then that bloody 'ubi' meant 'the place in which', so I quickly moved on to 'ibi'. Everyone got this wrong - we all mixed 'ibi' up with 'tibi'.
However the fight really got going with 'caritas' - this tricky little word of course gave everyone the opportunity to talk loftily and knowledgeably about the various Greek words for 'love' - words I've never really fully understood. Apparently the text 'Ubi caritas etc.' is based on the famous passage from 1 Corinthians 13. Did St. Paul get it right, I wonder - his Greek was apparently a bit dodgy at times. He put 'agape' I think, but is that what he really meant? And is 'caritas' the correct Latin word for 'agape'? And how *do* you translate 'caritas' - compassion, love, charity? Does it matter?
Well, yes, it does. I'm in a reflective mood today and, if I'm honest, more distressed than I care to admit about Minette's outburst. You can read St. Paul until you're blue in the face, but actually living out the ideas seems to be an impossible ideal, here or in the real world. How *do* you deal gently with real hurt, anger, resentment, general huffiness, whether your own or that of others? I really wish I knew, but I don't.
I think dear old Marcus Aurelius - a good Stoic rather than a good Christian (perhaps the same thing) - was right. He usually was. He said (in 'Meditations' not in 'Gladiator'): "Do not be distressed, do not despond or give up in despair, if now and again practice falls short of precept. Return to the attack after each failure..."
This was going to be my swan song too, but we don't want too many dead or dying birds cluttering up the History Hub stage. Perhaps I should just try to cheer up and think of another quiz question. -
Message 33
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Sunday, 1st May 2011
Certainly there are elements of Stoic beleif that chime with Christianity - can't remeber which French savant ascribed civilisation to the "Coming of Jesus Christ - with Plato and Seneca's assistance", and neoplatonism continued to have an influnce for many centuries.
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Message 34
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Sunday, 1st May 2011
I rather like something that Henry James said. Describing the equestrian statue of Marcus Aurelius which stands in the Piazza Campidoglio in Rome, James wrote: 'In the capital of Christendom, the portrait most suggestive of a Christian conscience is that of a pagan emperor.' -
Message 35
Posted by islanddawn (U7379884) on Sunday, 1st May 2011
This was going to be my swan song too, but we don't want too many dead or dying birds cluttering up the History Hub stage. Perhaps I should just try to cheer up and think of another quiz question.Ìý
Temp, don't you dare go swanning anywhere!
You are a very valuable contributor to this board and your thoughts are much appreciated. Squabbles are inevitable but don't let the small minded get to you. Chin up and remember, everything with a grain of salt. -
Message 36
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Sunday, 1st May 2011
Can I second that. We need your calm and measured contributions.
I've mentioned before about the different ways in which people use these boards - a sociologist/psychologist would have a field day analysing the contributors and their missives. Like emails, the ability to fire off an unconsidered message, and the inability to withdraw it, is dangerous. Often it's personal issues that are being reflected and perhaps worked through rather than historical ones and, yes, some are quite painful to read but I tend to feel sympathy with the sender, their pain can be palpable. Bandick may be, in an odd way, be lucky. His pain is physical and he can take his loopy juice, drastic though that may be. There are some pains that just don't seem to go away. -
Message 37
Posted by Catigern (U14419012) on Sunday, 1st May 2011
There are some pains that just don't seem to go away.Ìý
Is that a reference to anyone in particular, Ferval...? Do tell... -
Message 38
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Monday, 2nd May 2011
We need your calm and measured contributions. Ìý
If only! But thank you for your messages, ferval and ID. I was a bit down yesterday, hence the rather gloomy post. I blame too much booze over the holiday weekend, plus a bad bout of PND (Post -Nuptial Depression).
I'm about to clean out and tidy my garden shed now, an activity guaranteed to restore serenity, good humour and a belief in divine purpose. I also have a new book about Sir Thomas Wyatt to read later, so all is actually well in my world.
Bandick definitely comes out with some hilarious lines. We could do with a new thread from him. -
Message 39
Posted by CASSEROLEON (U11049737) on Monday, 2nd May 2011
Temperance
Sounds like an attack of "Beltane".. Our Druid friend sent us greetings as at each turning along with poems of her own penning and others. This time she included a sonnet by the bard:
Of Beltane she wrote:
"Bel-fires will have to be help low but it won't stop the dancing and leaping. Beltane is an activation of energy, the union of opposites, male and female, active and receptive, creating an exuberance for life. The wind is very exuberant today.
The poems below give hints of the eternal juxtaposition of aiming for union, or not as the case may be."
SONNET 36
Let me confess that we two must be twain,
Although our undivided loves are one:
So shall those blots that do with me remain
Without thy help by me be borne alone.
In our two loves there is but one respect,
Though in our lives a separable spite,
Which though it alter not love's sole effect,
Yet doth it steal sweet hours from love's delight.
I may not evermore acknowledge thee,
Lest my bewailed guilt should do thee shame,
Nor thou with public kindness honour me,
Unless thou take that honour from thy name:
ÌýÌýÌýBut do not so; I love thee in such sort
ÌýÌýÌýAs, thou being mine, mine is thy good report."
William Shakespeare
It was not a nice day to be on your own- if you were- especially so soon after a great gathering.
Regards
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Message 40
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011
As jams, jellies, spreads and conserves have been popular topics of conversation recently (for one ghastly moment yesterday I thought they were going to start singing "Jerusalem" in the bar - or at least produce a saucy nude HH calendar), may I offer a marmalade question?
James Keiller of Dundee claimed to have invented marmalade in 1797 - a ridiculous idea as marmalade had been known in England since around 1480. (Henry VIII received in 1524 a very nice gift of "a box of marmalade", sent by a Mr. Hull of Exeter).
And a native of Edinburgh had written this in a letter to a friend twenty years before Keiller's famous Dundee concoction was marketed:
"My wife has made marmalade of oranges for you."
Who was the friend? -
Message 41
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011
Cor blimey Temps… that’s an obscure one… well as it’s well past Friday, and you say you’re allowed to use the Google box:
Dr. Johnson of April 24, 1777… approx…?
However if you’re not allowed to use it… ehmm I dunno… -
Message 42
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011
The Keillers may have perpetrated a nifty marketing ploy but they seem to have prompted the change of meaning of 'marmalade' from a preserve of any fruit to one specifically made from citrus fruit and particularly seville oranges. Or am I wrong? Was the meaning changing already?
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Message 43
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011
A successful googly, sir!
Yes, Mrs. Boswell made some nice marmalade for her husband's good friend, Doctor Johnson. I expect he enjoyed it on his toast, washed down with gallons of tea. Did you know that Johnson *loved* tea? He is reputed to have drunk upwards of forty cups a day, remarking of this excellent beverage that "its proper use is to amuse the idle, relax the studious and dilute the full meals of those who cannot use exercise and will not use abstinence."
A great man.
Over to you, bandick! -
Message 44
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011
Ah, ferval - those canny Scots! Will investigate further. -
Message 45
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011
well for a self confessed cheat then...
When and what were the first animals to be launched into space. -
Message 46
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011
Well, the first into space were some fruit flies that went for a ride in the late 40s - 47? 48? courtesy of the USA, but the first to be put into orbit was the Russian bitch, Laika.
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Message 47
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011
In 1947 the U.S. launched a V2 rocket to an altitude of about 100 miles. This is generally considered to be 'the edge of space'. The rocket contained, among other things, a number of fruit flies. These were not, as far as I have been able to research, individually named, but were the first animals to be launched into space.
over to you urg -
Message 48
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Wednesday, 4th May 2011
OK. In view of tomorrow's referendum, when was AV first accepted by the House of Commons as appropriate in UK elections, and what proposed system did it replace (by 1 vote!)
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Message 49
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Thursday, 5th May 2011
1930? STV?
Just a guess as a Representation of the People Bill would have got through with Liberal support (there was a minority Lavbour Government) but it fell down in the Conservative-dominated house of Lords.
Going out soon so please feel free to pose another question. -
Message 50
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Thursday, 5th May 2011
1930? STV?
Just a guess as a Representation of the People Bill would have got through with Liberal support (there was a minority Lavbour Government) but it fell down in the Conservative-dominated house of Lords.
Going out soon so please feel free to pose another question.Ìý I would if you had got it right .....
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