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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Katy R (U14748743) on Friday, 8th April 2011
Hi everyone
Hope your all enjoying the sunshine (if it's sunny where you are).
Today's history quiz question is:
Which country was the first to allow women to vote in 1893?
Enjoy
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Message 2
Posted by cloudyj (U1773646) on Friday, 8th April 2011
New Zealand.
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Message 3
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Friday, 8th April 2011
Over to you cloudyj (speaking in best Katy impersonation)
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Message 4
Posted by Katy R (U14748743) on Friday, 8th April 2011
Brilliant - thanks for getting that right cloudyj over to you to set your question.
Katy -
Message 5
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Friday, 8th April 2011
Much better impersonation than mine!
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Message 6
Posted by cloudyj (U1773646) on Friday, 8th April 2011
Who am I?
I'm a dead Danish noble.
I wore a silver nose (having lost my real one in a duel).
I had a pet elk which died when falling down the stairs drunk.
Drink played a part in my death too. I was too polite to leave a meal to pee and died from a bladder-related incident. The jury's still out on exactly what killed me.
I was also famous for my day job. -
Message 7
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Friday, 8th April 2011
That'd be Tycho Brahe.
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Message 8
Posted by cloudyj (U1773646) on Friday, 8th April 2011
Obviously too easy.
It certainly was Tycho Brahe. They just don't make scientists like that these days.
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Message 9
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Friday, 8th April 2011
I agree - let's stick with colourful scientists!
Galileo was famously excommunicated by the Catholic Church for his atronomical observations. But who was excommunicated for being so bold as to claim that the moon had substance and wasn't just a "light" as the bible claims? -
Message 10
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Friday, 8th April 2011
This must be a lot earlier, somewhere in the first millennium? A clerical gentleman?
Clutching at straws here, I'm afraid. -
Message 11
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Friday, 8th April 2011
Was your chap actually chucked out by the *Lutherans*?
If it's who I think it is he came from a family that was always getting into trouble with the authorities. His great aunty had been burnt as a witch and they arrested his mum too - witchcraft charges again. In the evidence brought against her, the local gravedigger said she'd asked him to dig up her late husband - she'd apparently wanted to retrieve his skull. She admitted this was true - she had intended making a drinking cup out of it!
A colourful German family. Amazing what you discover when you research Luther and Science.
I think it's Johannes Kepler, but I bet it's not. -
Message 12
Posted by an ex-nordmann - it has ceased to exist (U3472955) on Friday, 8th April 2011
Bang on, Temperance.
The Lutherans turned a blind eye to his mammy's predilections for odd drinking vessels but when it came to him asserting that the moon wasn't a divinely appointed lightbulb they drew the line! He was thus keppled, koppled and kippled by the men in skirts.
Over to you ... -
Message 13
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Friday, 8th April 2011
Poor Kepler. In the article on Luther and Science which I mentioned last week (on the China thread), Kobe tells how Kepler did not know whether to become a priest or a scientist: "I wanted to become a theologian, and for a long time I was restless. Now, however, observe how through my effort God is being celebrated in astronomy." Pity the Church authorities didn't see it that way. Idiots.
I like Galileo's words, also quoted by Kobe:" The Holy Spirit intended to teach us in the Bible how to go to Heaven, not how the heavens go."
As appropriate a comment today as it was then.
OK, I won't give up. One last chance to get an answer from a question I asked yesterday:
Where did the Regale of France, the huge and splendid ruby (some say diamond) offered at the shrine of St. Thomas Becket by Louis VII of France, end up in 1538?
I want the *exact* spot, although I'm not fussy about left or right. -
Message 14
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Friday, 8th April 2011
Henry had it made into a thumb ring, surely?
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Message 15
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Friday, 8th April 2011
I'm not going to answer because I won't be at the computer for a while but, to add a clue and put you out of misery Temp, try asking Tom or little Jack.
I saw what turned out to be the answer last night but couldn't see the explanation of the ecclesiastical use H put it to so didn't think it was right. -
Message 16
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Friday, 8th April 2011
Well done, you two. I think Urnungal has it by a nose.
Yes, the ultimate in vulgar Tudor bling. When Becket's shrine was looted in 1538, Henry VIII ordered that the beautiful Regale should be made into a thumb ring. Shocked everyone, but it was an excellent way of cocking a snook at Rome. Turbulent priests questioning royal authority? Kings doing penance? Absolutely no chance!
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Message 17
Posted by Caro (U1691443) on Saturday, 9th April 2011
It's typical, isn't it? Last week, when I could get here almost at the crack of the quiz, I didn't know anything, as usual. Today I knew both the first two questions, though I might have felt honour bound not to answer the first one.
I don't remember much at all of my book, The Ascent of Science, about science and scientists, but I have never forgotten their description of Tycho Brahe's death. It filled me with a horror that has not completely left me.
Caro. -
Message 18
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Saturday, 9th April 2011
Well, I tried to post a question about royal thumbs yesterday, but it seems to have gone missing.
Which royal thumb bone can you see, by appointment only, in which English cathedral? -
Message 19
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Saturday, 9th April 2011
Is this relic pre conquest…?
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Message 20
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Saturday, 9th April 2011
Presuming you mean the Norman conquest, no, it's later than that.
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Message 21
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
Don’t know… been googling all night… can’t find a thing about it… needs another clue…
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Message 22
Posted by Caro (U1691443) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
Well, I hope it's not the Durham Cathedral, because I've been there recently and no one mentioned it. And I'm sure it's not the Sheffield Cathedral because surely the old man who attached himself to me with lots of information would have been keen to apprise me of this interesting fact. I don't recall anyone talking about a lost or found thumb in York Minster either.
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Message 23
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
Hi bandick,
I'm not getting involved in this, but here's a clue (I hope!) from Ivory Towers . Think sauce and Sherwood.
SST
PS I'm glad you've ordered Time Traveller and The Spire. Start with the Ian Mortimer - I think you'll love it. -
Message 24
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
A clue? Well, Henry VIIIs older brother is also buried there as well as the monarch in question.
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Message 25
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
I goggled all the cathedrals in the country… there’s a lot of them… I read that King John is buried in Worcester… and that the cathedral has a memorial to Prince Arthur, but must have skimmed over the very next sentence where it says he’s buried there… stupid boy… me eyes are hurtin so much from all this reading… and I still can’t find reference to a royal thumb… I recon he’s sat on it.
Very true wot me old teach said… “must pay more attentionâ€â€¦ -
Message 26
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
Prince Arthur, Henry VIII's elder brother, is buried in Worcester Cathedral. The only monarch I know who is also buried there is the unlucky King John. I didn't know his bones were also objects of veneration.
Incidentally, I think Worcester Cathedral is the only religious building other than Westminster Abbey that houses the remains of both a British monarch and Prime Minister - the PM in question being Stanley Baldwin who came from nearby Bewdley. -
Message 27
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
Ur, you're not the librarian of Roding Valley High School in Essex, are you? She went on such an interesting trip at half term but found the relic a bit gruesome.
I assume it was pilfered during one of the earlier tomb openings, or is it a fraudulent finger?
Thumbs up! -
Message 28
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
Yes, it was removed on one of the two occasions when the tomb was opend and altered. The stone has miniatures of Worcester's two saints (Oswald and Wulfstan - one of the few pre-conquest bishops to remain in place under the Normans) as John asked to be buried between the two. It was (1950s) mounted on a chunk of silver, having been returned to the cathedral by the descendants of the original purloiner. Haven't seen it since my primary school days, long before I became aware of the Rodings. I think that bandick got it - so away you go!
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Message 29
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
I dont Think bandick did get it... ed the cat had more of an idea than me. it completly foxed me so over to anyone...
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Message 30
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
If Temperance doesn't want to have a go or isn't around let me put my threepenn'orth in before the shutters come down for the night. There's already a heads up on this one and I hope I have the numbers right:
4 post-Conquest Kings of England lie buried (or are accepted to be) in English cathedrals outside London. Name them and their respective resting places. -
Message 31
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
Henry l buried at Reading Abby
King Stephen is buried at Faversham Abby
King John at Worcester cathedral
Edward II buried at Gloucester Cathedral
Richard ll was buried at Kings Langley Church, before being reburied at Westminster -
Message 32
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Sunday, 10th April 2011
Henry l buried at Reading Abby
King Stephen is buried at Faversham Abby
King John at Worcester cathedral
Edward II buried at Gloucester Cathedral
Richard ll was buried at Kings Langley Church, before being reburied at Westminster
Ìý William II - Winchester
Henry IV - Canterbury to replace the non-cathedral ones -
Message 33
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Monday, 11th April 2011
Bonus points to you, Ur-Lugal, for reading the question which, unfortunately Bandick, in his enthusiasm, didn't. I deliberately used the word "cathedral" and "currently". Unfortunately Reading and Faversham Abbeys were destroyed during the Dissolution of the Monasteries, which was no respecter of personages, even dead royal ones, along with the tombs of their royal occupants so, sadly, we can no longer pay our respects to Henry I and Stephen even if we wanted to.
There is some debate about whether the body interred in the tomb at Gloucester is indeed Edward II and not some unlucky guard as, far from receiving hot metal in his fundament (a story not widely circulated until a century after his supposed end) Edward may have escaped from Berkeley and lived the remainder of his life in exile in Italy but in the absence of evidence to the contrary I will go with the traditional version.
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Message 34
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Monday, 11th April 2011
OK, to continue the theme - which monarchs of England (this includes those who were monarchs of Britain, etc.) are buried abroad - and where?
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Message 35
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Monday, 11th April 2011
I don't know whether you regard Sweyn Forkbeard, father of Canute, as a King of England or not, but his remains are currently held at Roeskild Cathedral in Denmark, I think.
Of post-Conquest Kings the list is as follows:
William I - Caen Abbey
Henry II - Fontevrault Abbey, France
Richard I - also at Fontevrault
James II - originally in the English Benedictine Chapel in Paris. However he went missing during the French Revolution but may have later turned up and been re-interred in his place of exile, the Chateau Germain-en-Laye, at the request of George IV.
George I - Originally the Chapel of the Schloss Leine in Hanover but later moved to the Schloss Herrenhausen after Leine was damaged by Allied bombing in WWII.
Of interest to Bandick perhaps is this plaque in the ruins of Reading Abbey about the burial place of Henry I. Note the use of the past tense:
Of Faversham nothing remains except the building plans. -
Message 36
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Monday, 11th April 2011
Aha! You spotted the trap! Yes, I was including Sweyn - but there's another one who has a claim to inclusion .....
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Message 37
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Monday, 11th April 2011
Not sure who you mean apart from the Old Pretender who had some crowning ceremony as James VIII on his brief visit to Scotland in 1715, I believe, who lies buried in Rome, I think.
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Message 38
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Monday, 11th April 2011
On second thoughts I was committing Bandick's error and not reading the question properly. I misread "monarchs" for "kings". I think you probably mean Stephen's rival and Henry II's mother, the "Empress" Matilda who currently lies in Rouen Cathedral.
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Message 39
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Monday, 11th April 2011
If I had put "monarchs" rather than "kings" in my question Matilda should have been fifth (or second in chronology) on the list as Rouen is definitely outside London last time I looked.
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Message 40
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Monday, 11th April 2011
Yes, Allan, the classic exam error - answering the wrong question. Matilda/Maud it is!
Away you go, then ..... -
Message 41
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Monday, 11th April 2011
Getting to be a bit of a dialogue so I hope I haven't miffed Bandick again but as the burial places of the monarchs of England (and Britain) is obviously your specialist subject try this one out:
Who is the only monarch to have been buried in St Paul's Cathedral? -
Message 42
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Monday, 11th April 2011
I think I'd be ill-advised to tackle this one till I'm good and ready.
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Message 43
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Monday, 11th April 2011
What period are we looking at here… as what we see today is not the first St. Pauls Cathedrals…
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Message 44
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Monday, 11th April 2011
Aye, there's the rub, as Hamlet might say. I think you've spotted the trap, Bandick, now go from there.
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Message 45
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Monday, 11th April 2011
To give you a nudge, you might say he was very ill-advised to be buried there in view of what happened later but then he had a habit of being badly-advised.
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Message 46
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Monday, 11th April 2011
I have a feeling that there was a King of Essex buried there as well - perhaps Cedd's mate King Sigeberht, but might have been his successor, Sebbi (only know this stuff because I've been researching Cedd's brother, Chad, who was bishop of Lichfield, and I spent much of my childhood within view of the Three Ladies of the Vale)
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Message 47
Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Monday, 11th April 2011
The only badly advised one I know is Ethelred (the Unrede-y). I am full of admiration for everyone else's knowledge of pre-Norman kings though, so will await further enlightenment
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Message 48
Posted by Caro (U1691443) on Monday, 11th April 2011
You can't answer things validly when you've been given so many clues, can you? How does Gil know all these kings and things and where they are buried? I only know the ones where I have been (Caen for instance) and then I'm vague about them. Who is buried at Sudeley Castle - some queen consort?
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Message 49
Posted by Allan D (U1791739) on Monday, 11th April 2011
Got it in one, raundsgirl. His tomb was, of course, destroyed with the rest of Old St Paul's in the fire of 1666, 650 years after Ethelred's death making him the only monarch to be cremated, albeit inadvertently.
His nephew, Edward the Confessor, decided that the City of London and royalty didn't mix too well - a feeling that was to be borne out over the next several centuries and so built his own royal peculiar in Westminster for royal coronations, funerals and internments. After this was remodelled largely to what we see today by Henry III 3 centuries later it became the customary royal burial place until George II, the last monarch to be placed there, when, for space reasons, the monarchy opted for St George's Chapel, Windsor and its environs as their final resting-place of choice.
Your go, Raundsgirl. -
Message 50
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Monday, 11th April 2011
bandick -
Æthelred II the Redeless was certainly buried in Old St Paul's (IIRC the 3rd St Paul's on the current site), so, unless Allan has another sneaky trick up his sleeve, I reckon you've got it.
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