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Message 1.聽
Posted by Minette Minor (U14272111) on Saturday, 12th February 2011
And it soon will be. I remember a time when I dipped in here every day, things moved so fast and furiously! Now I see a post five or seven days ago at the forefront. What has gone wrong? Sluggish is not the word!
We all know what is happening. The 麻豆约拍 World Service is being axed, Radio Four is being "altered" to attract that odious thing "a Yoof audience" - when will it be accepted that the"yoof" are catered for from dusk til dawn on Sky/MTV etc., and actually grow up into REAL PEOPLE with MINDS who will adore Radio 4?
BUT unless people step up to the mark here, these Boards may soon be axed, incursions are alteady being made!
Are you going to allow this Forum to be closed - due to
lack of interest? Or will you make an effort to say something? Even it it may be as idiotic as the posts I've often made? HISTORY MATTERS. This Hub must be up and running or all will be lost. Come on be bold and save this place!
Get out of the present Tavern, Bar, Teverna and stop mumbling, make a statement! Suggest a suggestion. Plead a cause! If you don't do it soon - there will be nowhere to do it. I rest my case. -
Message 2
Posted by Silver Jenny (U12795676) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
Minette, the World Service is having cuts but is not being axed completely..
I doubt is any amount of petitioning would save this or any other 麻豆约拍 forum. A number of message boards have closed recently. Apart form the 麻豆约拍 trying to balance the books, people are moving to using other sites such as Facebook.
If, as you say, this used to be a busy site, what interested people then. Were subjects suggested for discussion. What role does History play in the lives of regular posters: university study,academic, researcher, writing, teaching, leisure interest, other.
If I may be impertinent, could I ask Host Katy what her special interests is/are
My work was as a medical librarian in the mental health sector in a teaching hospital; my interest remains in the history of mental health and its treatment through the centuries.
But I am easily diverted. For example Bandick's question about scaffolding was fascinating. A minor interest of mine since I was at school is finding the misericords in historic churches. Part of social and religious history in this country and sometimes very entertaining, such as this one.
This may well be idiotic; feel free to say so: at least we would be communicating!. -
Message 3
Posted by TimTrack (U1730472) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
In my opinion the boards in general started to fade away from the point the 麻豆约拍 closed the main news topic boards. They drew in posters, who would then post elsewhere.
It really is a glaring hole in the system not to have a main news board.
As Jenny says, they tend to promote other, perhaps more controllable, methods of communication. -
Message 4
Posted by LairigGhru (U14051689) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
I suspect an important factor is the criticism offered by commercial rivals to the 麻豆约拍 a year or two ago. They complained that they could not afford to provide such wonderful facilities themselves, so why should the 麻豆约拍 be allowed to provide them?
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Message 5
Posted by Mike Alexander (U1706714) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
Good point Tim. It seems likely, with the axe swinging at the Beeb, that boards like this are unlikely to survive.
However, in response to Minette's OP, I would like to add that the survival or otherwise of boards has in the past been rather counter-intuitive in regards to board activity. A former 麻豆约拍 board moderator told me that it's often been the more active/popular boards that have been axed, because they are more costly to moderate than the quieter ones.
Of course there must be a trade-off of several factors; a board that acts as publicity for 麻豆约拍 output is naturally more likely to survive - it can be justified as part of a marketing strategy. -
Message 6
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
Hi jenny鈥 that鈥檚 a most interesting read鈥 I think it鈥檚 a shame that one of the things that we as a has been world power can and should be proud of is our ability to be held in such high esteem throughout the world as the voice of honest broadcasting. Such a shame it鈥檚 coming to an end.
You mention facebook鈥 is that where people are fetching up鈥 I have an account in the hopes that a missing son may one day wish to contact me鈥 in fact his girlfriend had left two very brief messages, but I haven鈥檛 a clue how to use the thing so have not replied. It makes me so angry with myself that I may have missed the chance I so desperately yearned for thru my inability to do the things a child amuses themselves with within the confines of their bedrooms.
Would it be possible to run a message board akin to this on face book鈥 I thought it was for kids.
I used to post here about ten years ago for a time鈥 and then for reasons I can鈥檛 remember鈥 lack of time or other demanding commitments didn鈥檛. It was very busy then, and I do still recognise a few of the names鈥 but it鈥檚 the sudden disappearance of so many people since they announced these cuts that have surprised me鈥 like a mass exodus to鈥 I duno.
something about your post took my interest and that鈥檚 your former work as a medical librarian in the mental health sector鈥 and rather tongue in cheek I have to ask why in your next sentence you raise my name鈥
bound to be of interest to me wouldn鈥檛 you agree鈥 as far as I am aware there鈥檚 nothing wrong with me鈥 or at least nothing wrong above the waist鈥 although I am having a spot of trouble at the moment trying to get out of this place鈥 my various attempts to escape have done me no good at all as they fill me up with morphine, so they can have a quiet time of it鈥 I鈥檝e never has so much as an aspirin before, and I have a big down on drugs after seeing what it鈥檚 done to my eldest son鈥 he鈥檚 got an IQ of a cabbage now.
always the one to admit my ignorance, I had to look up what your 鈥榤isericords鈥 were, and having done so am sure I鈥檝e seen some in a few of the bigger churches/cathedrals I鈥檝e visited鈥 Westminster abbey I鈥檓 sure鈥 in the quire stalls鈥 all very dark and beautifully carved with amazing intricacies鈥 somewhere up front where the big knobs hangout anyway.
Perhaps you were unaware that your last web site was the same as the first鈥 I鈥檇 love to see to what you were referring鈥
sorry to butt into this as it was minnette you鈥檇 hoped to connect with鈥 I hope she won鈥檛 mind鈥 as you say at least it would be communicating鈥
Best regards bandick
blimey... in the time its taken for me to log on theres been three posts... its getting busy here at last. -
Message 7
Posted by Silver Jenny (U12795676) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
Bandick, double apology. When will I remember to preview before sending.
I like misericords. The carvers were able to let their imagnations run riot sometimes.
Missing link.
Sorry if I appeared to link you with my professional interest: nothing was farther than my mind, I assure you Hope you escape and get home soon.
Facebook I know little about other than that someone on the Archers board mentioned there was an Archers group there. I suppose there must be some sort of facility to set up your own interest group. -
Message 8
Posted by islanddawn (U7379884) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
Heavens someone pulled a post by Mike Alexander?!
His posts are always amongst the most sane and logical here. Whatever could he have said? -
Message 9
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
Hi Silver Jenny,
I think there is an interesting thread in history of the treatment of mental health issues, why don't you start one?
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Message 10
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
Hi ID鈥 ref your message 8. I can鈥檛 see any sign of a post by Mike being pulled鈥 where?
I can understand mine getting modded鈥 I鈥檓 sat here jabbering like a monkey up a tree.
But I have to agree with what you say鈥 and much deserved respect to Mike, do you think it could it have been reinstated鈥? -
Message 11
Posted by Silver Jenny (U12795676) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
The post was pulled but seems to have been restored.
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Message 12
Posted by Silver Jenny (U12795676) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
ferval, I will give some thought to that.
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Message 13
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
Strewth Jenny, how time flies when you鈥檙e enjoying yourself鈥 I see its five hours ago you posted.
I note the missing link is of the carvings in Chichester cathedral any reason specifically鈥 it so happens it鈥檚 to the hospital there that I must go鈥 I can鈥檛 get any sense out of the people here how I鈥檓 getting there鈥 it鈥檚 along way.
I鈥檓 looking forward to getting home and sorting things out for myself, but I hadn鈥檛 been out of my cottage since mid November, until I got here鈥 I just hope my car will start. Anyway鈥 on seeing those carvings when I come out鈥 I might take the opportunity of having a mooch around the cathedral and having a look myself鈥 I鈥檇 like that.
Jenny as I said, it was a tongue in cheek comment ref my present situation and your former career, I was in no way insinuating anything that would cause an affront to either you, or me.
I note fervals suggestion of you starting a thread on the history of mental health issues鈥 I too think that would be a good idea.
As for the post that was pulled鈥 I鈥檝e scanned so many of Mikes past posts and I can鈥檛 see anything remotely controversial, do you know which one it was鈥 I鈥檓 not trying to make anything out of it鈥 just trying to understand what irks the powers that be鈥
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Message 14
Posted by Silver Jenny (U12795676) on Tuesday, 15th February 2011
Bandick, I am not sure why I have turned into reference mode tonight. Been on another board swopping tales of books and writing and such like and can't switch off the brain cell.
I love the idea that a carpenter had of putting an elephant holding up the ledge. Perhaps he imagined a large monk would be propped up there in gratitude for the rest!. This is a better reference .
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Message 15
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Wednesday, 16th February 2011
SilverJenny鈥 hows this for a coincidence or what then鈥
there I am like a mindless moron, drifting around the depths of my laptop wondering how I鈥檓 going to get thru another night of listening to the 鈥榙rools鈥 gurgling suction pumps鈥 and 鈥榖uzz鈥 in the next bed imitating the display flight of a couple of mating blue bottles 鈥榖uzzing鈥 around a lampshade that the late great Percy Edwards the famous animal impersonator would be proud of, when I decided to settle down and watch something on iplayer and blot it all out鈥
I chose 鈥榬omancing the stone鈥 thinking it was a film that would send me to sleep鈥 somewhere, anywhere but far away from here鈥 but far from it, though not entirely all to my taste it covered the artwork found in 鈥楤edlam鈥 and then in some fine churches and cathedrals鈥 of some beautiful stone sculptures鈥 they then visited Windsor Castle to have a look at the misericords 鈥 and such beautiful wooden carvings. They lifted the queens seat in the chapel to reveal the carving beneath and it was mentioned that every monarch since 1475ish had sat there鈥 wow. That鈥檚 a lot of bums on seats, don鈥檛 know if you were aware of it鈥 but defiantly worth checking out as you鈥檇 just expressed your interest in that sort of thing鈥 but hey鈥 what a coincidence.
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Message 16
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Wednesday, 16th February 2011
I watched that last night as well, excellent, and there are other programmes in the series. Another prog. on the sculpture theme is this one
If you haven't seen it, you'll enjoy it I'm sure, and again, amusing and informative. -
Message 17
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Wednesday, 16th February 2011
hi ferval鈥 that was an odd coincidence don鈥檛 you think鈥 just flashed up the front cover of that link鈥 is that a fig leaf he鈥檚 holding up鈥
~If you haven't seen it, you'll enjoy it I'm sure, and again, amusing and informative~
Blimey鈥 just had a ssneezing fit鈥 thought I was about to blow my adenoids out, should have seen this monitor go wild鈥 scared me even more when the alarms went off鈥 I thought I鈥檓 a gonnaear. thank god they turned that racket off.
Do you mean its about what the leaf hides鈥 how disgusting. Gotta go鈥 sumfing I gotta see to. -
Message 18
Posted by MB (U177470) on Wednesday, 16th February 2011
I suspect an important factor is the criticism offered by commercial rivals to the 麻豆约拍 a year or two ago. They complained that they could not afford to provide such wonderful facilities themselves, so why should the 麻豆约拍 be allowed to provide them?
Maddening, isn't it!聽
Commercial rivals and enemies of the 麻豆约拍 moaned about unfair competition so what was perhaps the best website on the Internet has been slowly emasculated. Of course none of the rivals have stepped in to replace lost areas.
The 麻豆约拍 website is becoming just a series of links to iPlayer. Only a year or so ago you used to be to go to the website to get more information on a programme, now all that you are likely to find is a link to watch it again on iPlayer.
This messageboard area has suffered along with these cuts. -
Message 19
Posted by bandick (U14360315) on Wednesday, 16th February 2011
I find it very interesting reading thru the variety of opinions here that have brought fear of the 麻豆约拍 pulling the plug on the history boards and others to its near virtual collapse.
It鈥檚 a foregone conclusion that no matter what鈥檚 said here there or anywhere, it will be totally ignored as policy by the hierarchy that occupy the boardrooms on the top floor at broadcasting house.
I found it hard to swallow, reading the report in one of the Sunday papers that the 麻豆约拍 has employed someone living in America to reshuffle the 麻豆约拍 here to move so much north, that鈥檚 going to cost millions upsetting the staff and the customers鈥 yet get paid such a high wage that鈥檚 touching on the obscene and yet remain out of reach of the British tax system.
Who engages these people鈥 it鈥檚 a fact the a new broom sweeps clean鈥 but why is it that in almost all these situations, not only at the 麻豆约拍鈥 some jumped up little twerp gets the top job at twice or more times the salary of the ousted top exec, and promptly starts hacking away at the guys with their feet on the ground floor鈥 declaring I know what I鈥檓 doing鈥 so do I, it鈥檚 called feathering your own nest.
The term 鈥渢oo many chiefs and not enough Indians鈥 spring to mind.
As yet I鈥檓 surprised no one had played the typically British joker card and come out with鈥 鈥渨hat they want to do is鈥︹︹ I think that would be interesting, and nice to know the advice is there鈥 should the 麻豆约拍 need it. -
Message 20
Posted by Silver Jenny (U12795676) on Tuesday, 22nd February 2011
Well, OP is sure the history mb will disappear in cuts and so several people get invloved . And what happens. Another poster starts a thread which say no one has posted anything of interest. There really is no point in posting here at all.
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Message 21
Posted by islanddawn (U7379884) on Tuesday, 22nd February 2011
Ah dont' listen to that, he in turn starts a thread that is a repeat of previous threads that he has begun!
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Message 22
Posted by Minette Minor (U14272111) on Tuesday, 22nd February 2011
Just nipped in to look and rather think that what has been said gives a clue to the demise of this Hub.
I've been given further web sites to look at, assorted "matters" to complain about, in the abstract and ltlle more. Little has been said about history or its importance.Why we should have a forum where it may be discussed.
God knows we are inundated today by such freaks of terror as "The Tudors" and no one shouts about it! We all seem to accept such things. We were told that when "Barveheart" emerged or "Troy" that people would be so interested they would then read about the facts. It doesn't happen! The people accept what they are spoon fed as "real history".
I become angry when I watch "The Tudors" and Rhys Myers shows few signs of aging when we know as fact that the real Henry VIII was literally falling apart by the time he accessed Catherine Howard. All we
are shown is that his "Irish"? accent is more pronounced! Explain that?!
The Urbane Sir William Wallace would not have been seen dead wearing wode, riding bearback and yet we also accept this. Why?! As for "Troy" where do we begin? It has all become so ludicrous it is actually funny. Can "history" be distorted any more? Possibly not.
And yet, you talk about, what may be construed as "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin". I'm sure there is some internet site I can be given to look this up! I do not understand you. Not even you Baldric.
Consider me to be simple minded or needlessly agressive, I don't mind. BUT I do love History and cannot understand why this place is used by some ONLY as a social site, (there's always Face book!) rather than a place to simply discuss HISTORY.
If you don't wish to discuss it then why come here? There is no passion here anymore and this is why the turn over of these Boards is so slow and flat and dull! I am on the brink on giving up. Children at school are more responsive to discussion than those in this place. "Feel like havin fun? With almost brainy people? Then give the History Boards a try....You've nothin to loose..." I've worked in P.R. and this would be a good "header". What is wrong with you?
Sorry to interrupt...... -
Message 23
Posted by islanddawn (U7379884) on Wednesday, 23rd February 2011
"BUT I do love History and cannot understand why this place is used by some ONLY as a social site, (there's always Face book!) rather than a place to simply discuss HISTORY. "
You mean like you use these boards, once a fortnight only, to rant at people and talk about yourself Minette? Don't see you discussing too much history either, but at least everyone else does the unhistorical talking in the place designed to do it and not all over the board like your good self. -
Message 24
Posted by VF (U5759986) on Thursday, 24th February 2011
Hello,
One time poster,who only occasionally pops in!
I think half the problem is that the boards lost some interesting people who were a bit "forthright" in their opinions on occasion but gave the boards a bit of zest.They haven't really been replaced by any new blood and its become a bit rem,stale.Some of the threads seem a bit long winded and old and seem to revolve around the same subject which only a couple of people seem to debate.
I miss the likes of The Ice Cool Urban Prophet, Josef,Maurice,Buckskins etc it was a lot more fun then and a little more varied (though its nice to read the posts of Island Dawn,GrumpyFred etc)
VF -
Message 25
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Thursday, 24th February 2011
But when does "forthright" become unkind, rude and at times out-and-out vicious? OK, might make for zestful reading (so long as you're not the victim), but for those of a more sensitive nature it can be really upsetting.
But I agree the boards have become the preserve of the old and the long-winded, mentioning no names (because mine's one!) - we need to get a balance back - lots of informative stuff, plus fun and wit with a bit of *gentle* p*ss-taking thrown in when appropriate.
I can't understand why so many people are so beastly to Minette. Yes, she says idiotic things at times - don't we all, one way or another - but she knows a heck of a lot of history, is passionate about it (and isn't *that* what really matters?) and gets us all going. Just as she has done with this thread.
Bandick - don't fret. Minette was having a go at me too - that remark about angels dancing on a pin head. Least I think she was - but then I'm paranoid, too!
Should I post this? Am I sounding like a boring old ****? Probably, but never mind. -
Message 26
Posted by VF (U5759986) on Thursday, 24th February 2011
But when does "forthright" become unkind, rude and at times out-and-out vicious? OK, might make for zestful reading (so long as you're not the victim), but for those of a more sensitive nature it can be really upsetting.聽
I don't think anybody wants to see that.
we need to get a balance back - lots of informative stuff, plus fun and wit with a bit of *gentle* p*ss-taking thrown in when appropriate.聽
100% fully agree. It's a message board,not the UN Security Council !
Should I post this? Am I sounding like a boring old ****? Probably, but never mind. 聽
Not at all !
I apologise for the poor typing but the newly arrived VF is having a strop! -
Message 27
Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Thursday, 24th February 2011
In the 'old days', some of the discussion threads used to be very interesting, but some got unpleasantly personal with those who did not agree with them. On the FH board we used to joke about putting our tin hats on to read threads on here. An occasional bit of knife-throwing is not so bad, but it used to get really uncomfortable. I prefer things as they are now; at least less knowledgeable people like me can take part without being scorched by withering sarcasm.
I will just say to Minette, surely it's up to individuals to establish the level of the discussion, not to conform to an unknown 'norm'. Also, if you are mentioning people by name, it's only fair to spell their username correctly. -
Message 28
Posted by VF (U5759986) on Thursday, 24th February 2011
Oops that should have been newly arrived Baby VF is having a strop not me, VF the Elder !
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Message 29
Posted by islanddawn (U7379884) on Thursday, 24th February 2011
"But when does "forthright" become unkind, rude and at times out-and-out vicious?"
When one becomes absolutely fed up with condescending, insulting and hypocritcal rants on a frequent basis, and for many years.
" but for those of a more sensitive nature it can be really upsetting."
Yes indeed they can, just look at the effect Minette's latest missive of spite had on bandick. Who not knowing Minette's want, happily and inocently waded into her post without first indulging in something of a fortifying nature.
"I can't understand why so many people are so beastly to Minette."
You must be sight and hearing impared Temp, but I think you've answered your own question - But when does "forthright" become unkind, rude and at times out-and-out vicious?
"she says idiotic things at times - don't we all, one way or another - but she knows a heck of a lot of history,"
Indeed we all can be silly at times, but not one of us will frequently vent our spleen in what often amounts to, nothing but personal and bigoted attacks.
"but she knows a heck of a lot of history, is passionate about it"
This is no excuse for bad behaviour. Minette is not a child, is well aware of what she is saying and the effect of her words have on others. Has she not told us a thousand times that she was a journalist?
" Should I post this? Am I sounding like a boring old ****? "
I'm glad you did post it, and you are never boring. -
Message 30
Posted by islanddawn (U7379884) on Thursday, 24th February 2011
"Oops that should have been newly arrived Baby VF is having a strop not me, VF the Elder ! "
Congrats VF! This is wonderful news. Did the stork bring a male VF or a female VF? Come into the bar so we can wet the wee one's head. -
Message 31
Posted by VF (U5759986) on Thursday, 24th February 2011
Female VF,very small,very noisy!
Have been singing "Run Rabbit Run","Maginot Line" , "Were going to hang out the washing on the seigfried line" and "The soldiers of the old home guard"
Mrs VF thinks that I have lost the plot,I pointed out that I never had it!
I shall pop in to the bar for a quick one! Do they still sell Gannet !? -
Message 32
Posted by Thomas_II (U14690627) on Thursday, 24th February 2011
In reply to Minette Minor:
I know you for many years on these boards and it麓s a long time since we麓d been enganged in some debate on a thread of yours. Since I麓ve altered my nickname here, I was just more reading what麓s up here and not posting. There you go, your post led me to say something about the things you麓re complaining about.
God knows we are inundated today by such freaks of terror as "The Tudors" and no one shouts about it! We all seem to accept such things. We were told that when "Barveheart" emerged or "Troy" that people would be so interested they would then read about the facts. It doesn't happen! The people accept what they are spoon fed as "real history".聽
Absolutely agreed on that. I麓ve recently bought a DVD series, not sure at the moment whether it is a 麻豆约拍 production, about Henry VIII, starring H. Bonham-Carter as Anne Boleyn. This series is more focused on the main topics in the life of Henry VIII and the spouses he had. It starts with the scene when his Father is going to die and Henry VIII is just 18 years of age. Then the time went further to when he is most troubled by his desire to have male heir, then the attempts on getting divorces from Katharina of Aragone to gain the love of Anne Boleyn and to marry her. The story went on by chapters around the next wife he married but also with the spot on other historical events that matters. This series has four parts and it麓s clear that in compare to "The Tudors" series, many things were spared out in the aforementioned, but I would say that the series with only four parts is a far better production than "The Tudors". You can see in the "Henry VIII" series the alteration of himself, the sufferings he had upon his infected leg and how he grew older and was as fat as depicted in the most well known portraits of him.
I麓ve seen the complete series about "The Tudors" and I agree with you that the actor, for whatever reasons that might has been, looked unfitting to the appearance of Henry VIII in his older age. Just to put him some grey strains in his hair wasn麓t enough and the whole series, although some historical marks haven麓t been ignored in the production, there are many things which are critisized and this series has been discussed a few years ago on these boards. Some poster then, provided a link to a another website on which the historical inaccuracies were pointed out.
As you said, most people are satisfied by the way this series has been made and I like to say in the contrary to your complain, that it takes an huge interest on the history of Henry VIII to start not even reading about him, but also to complete the whole task in dealing with this part of - I like to say - more English History.
Something similar can be said about other historical films, as you mentioned Troy, well not among the films I prefer to watch for more than once. There is hardly a film that springs to my mind about I could dare to say that it has all the historical aspects in correct line and isn麓t boring. For dealing with the facts, one is left to watch documentaries and even in these, you could find sometimes statements which aren麓t right.
So, who is to blame about all that? I would say that it doesn麓t matters anyway because the puplic might be in one hand easy satisfied and therefore lazy to start and keep up with historical research, but on the other hand, the film industry doesn麓t care about complaines as long as they get the money.
I recently went to the cinema to watch "The Kings Speech". Very well (for someone maybe too much) promoted and although I also came across some critics which pointed out some inaccuracies, I like that film and for the reason that I currently read the book "A Kings Story", by HRH The Duke of Windsor, there are some scenes which he - Edward VIII - has written about and were taken nearly litteraly into the film. So much to say as he was concerned in some scenes, because of course the film has its focus on the then King George VI. Some people said, on another board, that they don麓t appreciate that film and so the actor Colin Firth who plays the role of George VI.
It麓s always the problem what people expect from films with historical background and what the producers are willing to provide the audience. There are several limits from money to running time and so on. They can麓t cope with all.
Consider me to be simple minded or needlessly agressive, I don't mind. BUT I do love History and cannot understand why this place is used by some ONLY as a social site, (there's always Face book!) rather than a place to simply discuss HISTORY. 聽
You are, in my opinion, all but not simple minded. You麓re sometimes (what I recall from the past as more likely often) dealing with so many things at the same time that I found it hard to follow your posts in your threads to keep up with the point you were trying to make and to understand what you were going to say. Too many marks like this: (... - sentence - again ...) and from that point of view I can just say, that of course you probably knew about what you麓ve omitted but how shall someone else get it to catch up with your thoughts. That was the problem I had and therefore more rarely joined your threads, besides the question whether the topic was of my interest or not.
If you don't wish to discuss it then why come here? There is no passion here anymore and this is why the turn over of these Boards is so slow and flat and dull! I am on the brink on giving up.聽
There other reasons also linked to this and I like to name that there has been in the past years more restriction re "off topic" than in some years further back. Host Andrew did a good work here and this kept the trolls away from these boards, but I wouldn麓t put the blame on him for the loss of many posters, still missed there. They took their decision because the probably didn麓t find some of their interest here anymore and when debates turned personally, the thread was fading away from the OP, but what I hardly couldn麓t accept was that if a thread has become a drift towards another aspect from the OP, there was the demand to start a new thread and the fluent debate was gone.
I can imagine that some posters would miss you on these boards, other might not. Anyway I麓m not so sure about the lasting future of these boards, because as you麓ve mentioned for other reasons, the 麻豆约拍 is taking more affection on shifting, or attracting, its users to join facebook or twitter. That麓s the future and we麓ll see about that development.
BTW, you麓ve used the name "Baldric" for "bandick". Didn麓t you confused him with the "Baldrick" from the "Black Adder" series?
Well, I wasn麓t intended to offend you by any means, but I was just inclined to point out, that some things got wrong by oneself, me included, in the past. I麓ve also given up posting here, your post led me to the exception to post again.
Have a good time.
Regards,
Thomas -
Message 33
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Thursday, 24th February 2011
You must be sight and hearing impared Temp... 聽
Well, I have this very afternoon picked up my new (and rather trendy) reading specs. I must admit things do seem a lot less blurry - it's great - I can read the back of the detergent bottle now. I've discovered that I've been putting double the required amount in the washing machine for the the last year or so.
Our judgements on Minette may differ, ID, but I'm glad we agree that insults, condescension, hypocrisy - and spite - are Bad Things.
Any road up, Minette's big and bold enough to fight her own battles, so I'll say no more - except you've got to admit she can laugh at herself and she will apologise when she realises she's out of order. Not everyone around here does that!
I bet she's laughing at us all - here we are "discussing Minette" again. After all, when you're a celebrity there's only one thing worse than being talked about, and that's not being talked about. ("Oscar Wilde, you know", as Rita said. -
Message 34
Posted by Katy R (U14748743) on Friday, 25th February 2011
Hi All,
I just wanted to reassure everyone that as soon as I know anything about any changes that may or may not happen to this message board, I will let you know.
We know nothing more at the moment than what my collegue posted here:
(message 5)
Sorry I have no answers!
Have a good weekend.
Katy -
Message 35
Posted by islanddawn (U7379884) on Friday, 25th February 2011
" I've discovered that I've been putting double the required amount in the washing machine for the the last year or so."
Didn't you get white streaky soap marks on the clothes, especially the dark ones? Always happens to mine if I get heavy handed with the soap powder.
I'll say no more - except you've got to admit she can laugh at herself and she will apologise when she realises she's out of order."
Thats just the problem, abuse, remorse followed by a period of calm then more abuse, remorse followed by more calm. You haven't noticed the pattern? Andrew certainly did and implied as much when he broke from the RIII debate. One begins to feel a bit like a battered wife after a time of it, forever wondering if today is going to be a good day or not.
Oh this is all so daft, normally I would have gritted my teeth and ignored her as usual (well almost usual anyway) if it wasn't for the confusion and hurt of bandick. He is ever a gentleman to all here and didn't deserve that, particularly now. -
Message 36
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
Didn't you get white streaky soap marks on the clothes, especially the dark ones? 聽
Probably, but I couldn't see them.
No, the bottle contained liquid detergent, so everything just got a bit foamy, but nice and clean, of course.
Oh this is all so daft... 聽
Agreed, but I must admit I love the image of Andrew Spencer as Minette's poor battered virtual spouse. I suppose I tried (and failed) to be their Relate counsellor. -
Message 37
Posted by Silver Jenny (U12795676) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
I thought Minette would come back and add encouraging words to the thread. Hah. What we get is:
"If you don't wish to discuss it then why come here? There is no passion here anymore and this is why the turn over of these Boards is so slow and flat and dull! I am on the brink on giving up."
I came here because I am interested in history, and 麻豆约拍 programmes about it, and my own interests. Pay my licence fee like everyone else and I thought that the message board was for people like me. Wrong, on all counts it seems.
Anyone know a good message board about Victorian history?. -
Message 38
Posted by VF (U5759986) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
I think that the boards could have been so,so much better and to be honest I think that the 麻豆约拍 have wasted opportunities.
For instance there was a poster called "Nick" who was present at the Bismarck action, a real fountain of knowledge, there were others who posted on the peoples war sites.They only tended to come on the boards when the 麻豆约拍 cocked up the sites or they were having trouble amending the sites.
Time waits for no one and these people will be gone soon,what a pity that the peoples war site wasn't better linked to these boards so that people could access them and ask people questions.I always thought that the sites were a bit clumsy TBH. Also a lot of forums allow pictures to be displayed,why not the 麻豆约拍 if they are your own?Yes you can use flicker but its a bit long winded.....
The biggest problem is that there is no new blood coming in... -
Message 39
Posted by Tas (U11050591) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
Hi Silver jenny,
Anyone know a good message board about Victorian history?聽
That would be marvelous, since I am reading at the moment a book about the Victorians, having just finished a book about Edward VII.
So much happened in the long period of the Queen-Empress, in events and culture.
I have also been watching a 麻豆约拍, sort of soap opera for the intelligent, "Downton Abbey". It is very interesting to see this very charming young man who is about to inherit this huge estate through a quirk in the entail laws; estate could only be passed to mail heirs. It is truly delightful, except after two episodes, it has ended. We are waiting for new episodes. First they will be filmed, then shown in Britain, then our public Television will pick it up and channel it to us as Masterpiece Theater.
The host of our Masterpiece Theater used to be my favorite Englishman in America, Alistair Cook; used to listen to his "Letter from America" on the 麻豆约拍. Here, there was recently a little documentary of Mr. Cook on our public TV. What a delightful man!
When I lived in Britain, I heard somewhere that the three best broadcasters in the English language were: George Bernard Shaw, Winston Churchill and Alistair Cook. There was a charm to Cook that I have never seen since that time; I remember him describing the laws of Broadcasting in an American election: "You pays your money and you has your say!"
The best thing about Alistair was that, although he occasionally made light of American institutions, he always had an inner liking for America that showed. His letters always brought us closer together on both sides of the "Pond". I wonder if any one else on this board has heard "Letter from America" or am I the only one, thus showing my age. I wonder what Cook would have made of our tea-Party?
Tas -
Message 40
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
Cook's "Letter from America" broadcasts were excellent, Tas. According to Wiki, they ran from 24th March, 1946 until 20th February, 2004 (AC died, aged 95, less than a month later). They were the longest running radio broadcasts ever.
Cook used to work in London during the 1930s and he did a similar thing for NBC called "London Letter". I wonder if anyone out there remembers* them*?
I'm going to look and see if any of Cook's "letters" are available in the 麻豆约拍 archives. -
Message 41
Posted by Silver Jenny (U12795676) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
Hi Tas.
'Letter from America' was listened to every week at home and then when I married, OH and I continued to listen every week. AC kept it up almost to the end of his life. .
Glad you enjoyed 'Downton Abbey'; there is a second series on it's way this year. Since the Great War had just been declared at the end of the first series, we will be well into that in the next series. We have Lady Mary down as an ambulance driver in France: interesting to see what will happen!. it is shown on a commercial channel here, not 麻豆约拍, so I will shut up!.
My main interest in the Victorian era is in the engineers and the railways. And the Crystal Palace Great Exhibition in 1851. That of course brought in many aspects of empire. One fact which amazes me, [living as we do in a age in UK where many projects are late and often overbudget] the Great Exhibtion brought in enough revenue from the sale of 1/- [one shilling] entrance tickets to have a surplus after all expenses were met. They built the Victoria and Albert Museum in Kensington, London with the surplus. -
Message 42
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
They built the Victoria and Albert Museum in Kensington, London with the surplus. 聽
Didn't know that! I wonder what the organisers of the Crystal Palace Great Exhibition would say about the Millennium Dome fiasco.
That said, did anyone have a moan about the Crystal Palace at the time? -
Message 43
Posted by Tas (U11050591) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
Hi Silver jenny, Hi Mumpsimus,
The Crystal Palace was a triumph of Engineering and great Victorian design. It was unheard of to create an entire exhibition building out of glass and to have trees inside the building was simply amazing. The reason the 1851 exhibition made such a lot of money was because all the people of Britain were traveling to London to see the exhibition for the first time; there were railways available for the journey for the first time and it took hours to travel from the country to the big city instead of days, for the first time ever.
People in Britain in those days did 'Big Things' and Prince Albert was brilliant at organizing the creation of this magnificent building. it is a pity it got burned down.
There is so much in South Kensington that reminds us of Prince Albert, a great find for Queen Victoria and for Britain.
I am glad other are others here on the board who admire Alistair Cook. I thought I was the only one. I used to listen to his letter when I lived in Chelsea in the 1950s. To an extent it was his letters that made me "fall in love with America" and vote with my feet to come here. I have not regretted it for a day, despite such oddities as our 'Tea-Party.'
In the period of Teddy Roosevelt America was quite reformist and especially during the period of FDR America became quite a wonderful country. LBJ brought us Medicare and Civil Rights, so that today Barak Obama is our President. Mr. Clinton balanced our budget and kept our economy thriving. He would have been one of our greatest Presidents, except for a young intern named Monica.
And so, on it goes!
Tas -
Message 44
Posted by Temperance (U14455940) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
As you say, Tas, "Downton Abbey" is very much posh soap opera. Life for the majority of those "in service" was actually pretty grim. You may be interested to read this article:
Margaret Powell's book sounds really interesting. Mind you, my own grandmother as a young woman was in service in a very grand house in Cheshire. She was a salt of the earth, Cof E, working class Tory, and she wouldn't hear a word said against "the quality". Perhaps she was exceptionally lucky in her employers - I really don't know. -
Message 45
Posted by somewhatsilly (U14315357) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
Just to return to the OP, I feel that the Beeb does not publicise these boards as much as they might, If, after a programme, they said, or put on screen, something along the lines of 'if you wish to discuss this further, the 麻豆约拍 History/ Archaeology/ Wars and Conflicts/ Family History forums would welcome your contribution'.
I've moaned before about the lack of prominence they get on the main History web page and on the dedicated programme web pages. Nor are there any links on the 'Points of View' board which would seem to be a possible recruiting ground. Maybe hosts there could direct posters who comment on appropriate programmes. Another obvious place to link to is the 'In Our Time' page.
I can't remember how I initially came across these boards but it was serendipity rather than being directed here. -
Message 46
Posted by Sambista (U4068266) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
I'm in broad agreement, ferval, that a lack of prominence on other parts of the 麻豆约拍's web presence is a large part of the problem.
-
Message 47
Posted by islanddawn (U7379884) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
I don't think there are enough funds for a really busy board ferval, they mean extra staff behind the scenes. Others have been closed down over the last couple of years because they had become too big, while others have been closed because they didn't generate much interest, maybe a happy medium is the way to do it?
The Archers board is the only one that the 麻豆约拍 seem to think is of any importance, absolutely massive, open 24hrs and the majority of it doesn't even involve Archers chat, more like a giant bar . I don't understand what the point of it is. -
Message 48
Posted by raundsgirl (U2992430) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
ID! Wash your mouth out! Don't you realise that the Archers is more sacred than the C of E? I stole over there once when they killed off Nigel and the obnoxious Helen had her baby. There was an absolute furore! Mostly about H because the Beeb had made various medical slip-ups in the story.
young man who is about to inherit this huge estate through a quirk in the entail laws; estate could only be passed to mail heirs聽
Does that mean they were notified by post??
Sorry, Tas, no offence intended, just had a vision of them having to be told by letter.
That's what entail was about, the next male heir inherited. If you read 'Pride and Prejudice', part of the byplay between Mr Collins and the Bennetts is that he is Mr Bennett's heir (they have no sons), so there is a lot of pressure from MrsB for one of the girls to marry him. -
Message 49
Posted by Silver Jenny (U12795676) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
Island Dawn, the Archers Bull section is where the posters from closed boards were directed, most notably the Five Live and the Northern Ireland board. Some of the articulate and entertaining original posters have gone elsewhere, probably to a Facebook group. Many people do not listen to, or post in, the Archers discussion bit so, as you say, little point now. It got 24 hour opening because it was a generally spat free zone so less mods' time required.
-
Message 50
Posted by Tas (U11050591) on Saturday, 26th February 2011
Hi Temperance,
I read the entire account of the kitchen maid. It was very illuminating to learn what 'Downstairs' thought about 'Upstairs". It was an insight into what was happening behind the scenes in Downton Abbey.
Tas
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