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Posted by gidarmy (U7627527) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Hello,
Just before I got back to bed(had to be up early to have the traditional breakfast cereal race which I lost again and then there was a delivery of wine just in time for the dry month of February) tonight we may well be discussing the following.
1 - Great drumming.
2 - A pop star once gave me something. A gift hopefully. Or maybe a letter. Or something better. This follows the revelation that Genesis P. Orridge once gave me a mug. Wish I could remember where it was.It had a strange design on it. He was a great interview as well.
Other stuff too but those of you who want to contribute here and now.. please do
Gidx
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Posted by MickShrimpton (U10147690) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Named as I am after one of the drummers in Spinal Tap I feel obliged to participate.
What's making me hesitant though is that I'm about to suggest drumming that could be filed under 'prog'...
Oh well, here goes - the finest drumming on record takes place during the second half of the live version of 'Cinema Show' on Seconds Out by Genesis. Bill Bruford and (when he's dragged away from the microphone) Phil Collins.
If it's too long just skip the vocals at the start (no great loss)...
Drummers are like football referees, if you don't notice them then they're having a good game. For instance, Richard Colburn from Belle & Sebastian seems to do a good job and you can't argue against his work. Similarly, the one with beard in My Latest Novel is good for variation, say in 'Pretty in a Panic', he gets the marching vibe going and transfers it around the different areas of his drum kit, but crucially never mixes the drums up too much or that'd complicate the overall composition.
You will, of course, be playing shortly, 'Slow Parade' by Broken Records because the might Swift-o and I requested this session. This is relevant because the drums are introduced in the lyrics, "Here come the drums and the beat..."
I can combine these 2 topics. The drummer out of Johnny Flynn and the Sussex Wit once gave me a pack of Doctor Who party napkins.
I'll just let that one hang in the air for a moment.
Roofdog - That sounds like spy talk to me! Are you using this message board to communicate with your Comrades back in the Motherland?
"The lead singer of Modern Romance presented me with a straw boater. I repeat, the lead singer of Modern Romance presented me with a straw boater. The boater had a scarlet ribbon. I repeat, the boater had a scarlet ribbon".
Blame me if a small European country is suddenly and rather unexpectedly invaded within the next 24 hours.
My chum Richard Wainwright once told me a tale that combined the two topics beautifully - involving his possesion of drumstick from the drummer of The Cardiacs in a startling backstage incident.
However, the tale is so utterly depraved and filthy that I daren't repeat it. Richard, I, and any reader thereof would be irrevocably cheapened by the experience.
(Hi Richard!)
Meanwhile - the self-effacing Nick Mason is often overlooked as a great rock drummer - but take a look at this live version of saucerful of secrets, where he seems to be earning his shilling.
But for pure drumming perfection - Mitch Mitchell every time!
Jazz hands, y'see?
Buddy Rich was no slouch.
Quite a characher too Buddy Rich, witness his appearance on the Muppet Show and the tape of him berating his band on the tour bus after a show.
It's even better than the Troggs tape.
sorry.. character...oh hang on.
Gid - I was going to post that link from the Muppet Show but as the one I posted also had Sammy Davis Junior and Gene Krupa on it too, my decision was made for me!
The Muppet Show clip is mighty fine though isn't it, especially where he plays Beaker's head? Utter genius.
I will have to find the tour bus incident clip some how.
Ok my contributions would predictably be Steve Jansen from Japan. The best bit for me being the long outro on 'The Other side of life' which I always cited, in deeply anorak moments, as only ever repeating the same phrase once. He ends every bar with a different break, or at least that's how its sounds to me. This track would also qualify for another contribution to the thread about the best use of strings in rock.
The other one even more predictably would be Gavin Harrison from (you've guessed it) Porcupine Tree. Also the new drummer for King Crimson if I'm not mistaken. Anyway check this out
And Gavin showing off
OK. Just me then?
Actually this is a better example of Gavin's playing. Guy's a master!
Can't forget Manu Katche - Played with everyone from Peter Gabriel to Tori Amos. Another brilliant waggler of the sticks
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Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Buzzcocks' drummer John Maher -- a mix of virtuosity and seamless blending with the rest of the music...
Best drumming in punk music?? Discuss...
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Posted by steve_swift (U2177659) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Saw two great drummers last year - polar opposites, though :-
Patrick Hallahan of My Morning Jacket played as if it was the last time he'd pick up the sticks, as if he had a hurricane at his back a blur of hair and thumping gut-wrenching beats.
John Convertino of Calexico held his drumsticks like quills, sketching out rhythms with a complexity that was impossible to fathom, twirling his hands mid-beat, barely breaking sweat.
AS he was leaving the stage Convertino handed his sticks to a girl at the front. When they came back for the encore he must have left his spare set behind as he had to ask for them back only to hand them over again, with much smiling, when they had finally finished their set.
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Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
I won't mention Neil Peart from RUSH as he probably is aware of his virtuosity and therefore is smug about it...
Remind me not to mention Neil Peart from RUSH...
John Convertino was very, VERY lucky he didn't hand them to my friend Richard Wainwright, and then ask for them back later. See above. 'Nuff said
(Hi Richard!)
I'm dissapointed - So far
I'm less dissapointed now. I'm so easily pleased
.....and fickle.
So I'm told
In keeping with the current Cure bashing, can I make an ironic vote for Lol Tolhurst?
As for pop star gifts, I'm sure there are plenty of female (and occaisionly male) fans who've been left little surprises by various bands down the years...
I was in a video for The Pretenders once and Chrissie Hynde chucked her plectrum at me. Does that count? I still have it somewhere. Possibly.
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Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Friday, 30th January 2009
Mozzer...plectrum?? Ewww...isn't that that tool they use to give women gynecological exams?? To look at a woman's cervix??
Sorry, I am a dumb American...
By the way, being fickle is better than being smug...but not as cool as being turgid...now that's cool...
Did he just say "woman's cervix"? On the Βι¶ΉΤΌΕΔ?
You know this means war?!
PS. Where's a man's cervix?
Mozzer...plectrum?? Ewww...isn't that that tool they use to give women gynecological exams?? To look at a woman's cervix?? Β
Windy - Thats a speculum and this is sooooo off topic
surely, if it's on a man it's a sirvix?
It is a great word though isn't it?
Plec - trum
Sounds like it should be anatomical.
They say much worse things than cervix on Woman's Hour. They were saying George Clooney was technically obese the other morning. I tried to email in to complain but their website is a bit, um, minimal on feedback opportunities. Maybe you have to be female to work it out.
Anyhoo, great drummers....surprised nobody's mentioned Bill Bruford, Cozy Powell or Carl Palmer yet.
Hang on, someone has mentioned Bruford, so I'll swap him with Keith Moon and raise you an Ian Paice.
I thought a speculum was somebody that invested in property.
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Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Friday, 30th January 2009
And Stuart Copeland...but Gid may report that back to Marc Riley as it has too much of a proximity to a rocker that is named after a bee's verb...
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Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Friday, 30th January 2009
Maybe plectrum should be used to describe a middle-aged or elderly woman's (or man's) turkey neck...
I'd be impressed if Chrissie Hynde threw her turkey neck at Mozzer...talk about giving back to the fans...
Well that would count Manu Katche out as well as I believe he did work with Stink on one album
She probably didn't have a turkey neck in those days.
Someone (not the Pretenders) threw the majority of a drumkit at Mrs Mozo on the same shoot though if that adds to the impressiveness. She nearly got decapitated by a flying crash cymbal.
I had a full and frank exchange of views with the drummer on that occasion I can tell you. Drummers not normally being the kind of people you want to have full and frank exchanges with, due to them being well practised at hitting things repeatedly with lumps of wood.
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Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Friday, 30th January 2009
She almost got Oddjobbed??
Wow...
If throwing things into the crowd counts, can I have Alan Sparhawk nearly killing us with his guitar at the end of Low's End Of The Road festival set last year? After they'd cleared away the casualties I picked up what I think is a piece of scratchplate. Though it may be part of someone's lunchbox.
He really gave that guitar some welly. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a keen welly wanger.
Do you think he was a men's welly wanger or a woman's well wanger?
I can almost hear the manly cries of,
"Will you watch where you're welly wanging. You nearly had my sirvix out!"
I apologise now.
Must have been if you found part of his lunchbox afterwards.
Do you think he was a men's welly wanger or a woman's well wanger? Β
Oh dear - womens wellies have pink flowers on them! Thats how you tell.....
But if you have a wang bar on your guitar what else is there to do with it but wang it?
Does that make you a wanger? And if you are wellying your wang bar does that mean you are a welling wanger or a welly wanger or indeed a wanging wellyer?
Who the hell was wang anyway?
This thread appears to have taken a strange turn.
Carry on.
Just had a quick Google and found that a wang bar can also be called a whammy bar which leads onto a whole new discussion..... are you a whammer? But there's a ditty I found
'Wang Dang Sweet Poontang' by Ted Nugent
Is this an ode to the wang inventor?
Not exactly.....
It would be stretching it to describe this as a gift from a pop star, but others seem to have widened the discussion to items thrown from a stage, so: I used to possess an Alice Cooper poster lobbed in my direction by Vince himself during a gig in Birmingham (West Midlands, not Alabama) in I think 1971 - their first visit to these shores. I fled from the violent melee which ensued when he started throwing pound notes into the audience, even though in those days (cue duffing theme) just one of those notes would probably have covered my gig ticket, bus fare home to Kidderminster, and a slap-up chip supper on the way.
Wish I knew what became of the poster. Vintage rock memorabilia. Might have been worth a few quid these days.
I thought Mr Cooper mostly tended to throw the contents of his stomach at the audience in the 1970's.
Only hearsay I must admit, as I was far too young and innocent to find out for myself in those days.
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Posted by gloriousalysum (U13805581) on Friday, 30th January 2009
Don't know their name, gender or background, but the drummer on Marilu by Serge Gainsbourg sounds like they are having an absolute ball, and I think dirty old men are a much overlooked category of listener and artist so I do.
Gid - I've just found that recording of Buddy Rich tearing strips off his backing band on the tour bus after the infamous gig.
I can't believe what a potty mouth he had! He must have been REALLY disappointed with them. I would have loved to have a) seen the gig and then b) seen their facial expressions as he offers his full and frank opinion on their performance.
Truly brilliant. I urge all of you who are not of a delicate disposition to hunt down this gem of a recording. I wonder what sort of performance he managed to get out of them the following night?
"Keep your @*%!+#& mouth shut! Right now, or I'll close if for you. Keep it shut. Try me! Then shut up!"
"I'm not threatening you. I'm telling you!".
It's one of the great cassettes. And a lesson to us all in how to lose your temper and give people good talking to.
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Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Wednesday, 5th August 2009
That's threadworthy too, Gid...artists as brilliant as they are mercurial...Buddy Rich is one of them, and I have to put a post in for Charles Mingus, the great 'Goodbye Pork Pie Hat' composer...
He threatened a few of his 2nd bananas back in the day, didn't he??
There's also the Troggs tape that Gid mentions above, which is also hilarious, (possibly more so due to the rather strong West-Country accents (sincere apologies to anyone West of Bristol who might be offended by that comment)).
In addition, I've also found a rather humourous recording of Nicko McBrain and Steve Harrison from Iron Maiden arguing after a gig which is probably more Spinal Tap than Spinal Tap.
Finally, who could forget... (roll onto the 6m20sec mark)
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