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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by U6679583 (U6679583) on Monday, 26th January 2009
....but he never meant **** to me - Public Enemy.
We all harbour a secret dislike for artists that every other member of the 'Musicati' seem to revere.
For instance, out of the blue, Mrs Fist has just told me that she doesn't like The Butthole Surfers. I was stunned, to say the least. She's been lying to me all this time. You think you know someone, and then suddenly you find yourself staring at them and thinking: "You are a stranger to me".
All those precious memories Butthole Surfer-related memories, now tarnished forever: the music at our wedding reception; her 25th birthday suprise; the birthing tapes I made for the arrival of our three children; her 30th birthday suprise; the christenings of our children (Pussyhorse, Locust and Worm); her 35th birthday suprise; our tenth wedding anniversary; the giant mural of Gibby I painted on our bedroom ceiling..... all now revealed to be hollow shams.
At least it's not too late to get my money back on the tickets for her 40th birthday suprise.
Well, perhaps it's healthy to let these things out. So this thread is for everyone and anyone to confess their secret sins against received musical wisdom
So can I kick off by saying I can't stand The Jam? Any of it. And indeed anything Paul Weller has ever done. -
Message 2
Posted by LoudGeoffW (U11943874) on Monday, 26th January 2009
I never quite got The Smiths in the same way as some people do
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Message 3
Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Monday, 26th January 2009
The fact that my wife revealed to me whilst we were still dating that she disliked They Might Be Giants (after attending a concert of theirs which was one of our first dates) is a testament to my limitless kindness and compassion for such a misguided soul (tongue firmly planted in cheek)...
Never was that crazy for Springsteen (except his early stuff), people always revered him as a rock god, but to me, always pop masquerading as rock... -
Message 4
Posted by Bargeman (U1017072) on Monday, 26th January 2009
I'm not sure if I dare say this, for fear of being banished, but I've never really got Radiohead.
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Message 5
Posted by U6679583 (U6679583) on Monday, 26th January 2009
It's OK everyone - no one's going to condemn you. This is a space for truth, and reconciliation. Confess. Unburden yourselves. We're all sinners.
I, for one, have always thought The Clash over-rated and boring.
And I have pretended to like quite a lot of the Kinks back catalogue much more than I really do. -
Message 6
Posted by Ddik Trebor (U202315) on Monday, 26th January 2009
I, for one, have always thought The Clash over-rated and boring.Ìý
Of course, you know this means that you're dead to me now... -
Message 7
Posted by U6679583 (U6679583) on Monday, 26th January 2009
It's cathartic. Go on, FS - say something heretical. Smash a rock crucifix.
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Message 8
Posted by Ddik Trebor (U202315) on Monday, 26th January 2009
And much as I love the Guy Garvey show on 6M, Elbow are God-Awful.
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Message 9
Posted by U6679583 (U6679583) on Monday, 26th January 2009
YES! That's my boy!
It's like the family argument at grandpa's funeral, when the gloves came off and the truth came out! -
Message 10
Posted by alan_lloyd (U1160366) on Monday, 26th January 2009
I'm with Bargeman on Radiohead. Never could abide 'em.
While we're about it, can I put it to the jury that the plodding, droning, Velvet Underground are the most overrated band to come out of the sixties? Worst thing about them is that Lou Reed has encouraged generations of untalented young people to believe that tuneless croaking is not only an acceptable alternative to singing, but is even somehow "cool".
There, that feels better.
Don't want to get into the Clash debate. Not qualified to evaluate all that shouty stuff that the young folk seem to like. Brave to express those views here though Fist. Flirting with another banning if Gideon has any influence. Then again, maybe he doesn't, even if it's his name above the door. -
Message 11
Posted by gidarmy (U7627527) on Monday, 26th January 2009
I lost control some time ago. Something to do with stupid puns based on fish.
And I'm all for challenging the accepted norms. Who were a great band by the way.
Once again though Fist is dealing with strong forces (see also the stupid puns) as it's only a matter of time before someone claims not to like Tom Waits.
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Message 12
Posted by LoudGeoffW (U11943874) on Monday, 26th January 2009
I like Radiohead, but to misquote Woody Allen, prefer their funny stuff.
Gid, you can multi task at ten to midnight. Colour me impressed. -
Message 13
Posted by PeteIsLegend (U10945656) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
I know I'm not alone if I say The Beatles and just about everything that any one of them has ever done (with the exception of a handful of Harrison tracks, and Ringo on Thomas the Tank Engine - although, let's face it that was never up to the standard of Ivor).
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Message 14
Posted by purrmeister (U11445326) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
For the record I've yet to warm to De Burgh Ìý
Gid - thats a wuzzy one to choose!
Can't see anyone disagreeing with you on this thread....
Freaky - we're gonna be glaring at each other
- I don't get the Clash either but just love Elbow (some of those lyrics are sooooooo gooooood). -
Message 15
Posted by knerak (U10891878) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
sticking head above parapet - led zeppelin, mighty music but then that man starts singing
did warm to ramble on, shaun played track last week as i stood waiting for the train
if ayeplayer people want to be my heroes - please get gideon's show from last night up and running -
Message 16
Posted by the_roofdog (U9532299) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Can't stand the Cure. Didn't there used to be a law (enshrined within the Magna Carta I believe) that you could like either the Smiths or the Cure but not both? What happened to that? These people walking round bold as you like claiming to appreciate BOTH 'Disintegration' and 'Strangeways, Here We Come', it's not right.
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Message 17
Posted by U6679583 (U6679583) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
All good. Just remember guys - no backlash, no vitriol. "Nobody wants to get hurt, nobody wants to hurt anybody" - to quote Jerry Garcia. And we ALL worship the Grateful Dead, right?
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Message 18
Posted by gidarmy (U7627527) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Yeah, don't dis the Dead man.
iplayer working by the way. -
Message 19
Posted by knerak (U10891878) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
hip hip -
Message 20
Posted by the_roofdog (U9532299) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
No knerak, I believe it's called hip *hop*.
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Message 21
Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Gid, good job on the Grateful Dead punnage...my 'God-rest-his-soul' grandfather (the legendary master punner of Boston, MA, USA) would be proud, if he knew who the Grateful Dead were...
I like both the Cure and the Smiths...but I'm American, so I don't know any better...
Anglophile rule #1: don't hate any British music, unless it's Take That or the Spice Girls...I mean, come on, I have standards, people!!!
However, I think the Cure after Wild Mood Swings is mostly rubbish... -
Message 22
Posted by Ddik Trebor (U202315) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Freaky - we're gonna be glaring at each other
- I don't get the Clash either but just love Elbow (some of those lyrics are sooooooo gooooood).Ìý
Of course you don't like the Clash, you're a girl...*ducks*
They may well be great lyrics, but they are layered with such dreary sub Radiohead(another pet-hate),Keane and poor man's James backing, screaming "please Mr Eno, produce us", that I have never got round to hearing the words. Guy Garvey, on the other hand, has always seemed a great bloke, even if his band are rotten.
In regard to the Smiths, well I bought all their early singles up to Shakespeare's Sister, but Morrisey so got on my nerves, that I could no longer listen to them.
As far as the Cure go, I agree with WindyBeans, again I bought their stuff right up to the 90's, but from about 92 onwards, Fat Bobs' voice just started to grate, it's weird because I can still listen to the early stuff (in fact Pornography is one of the GREAT post-punk L.P.'s), but the new records are just annoying. That and the fact that a 50 something multi-millionaire whining like a bored teenager is, frankly, preposterous. -
Message 23
Posted by purrmeister (U11445326) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Of course you don't like the Clash, you're a girl...*ducks*
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Well that sorts that argument out then....you gotta have a 'Y' chromosome to appreciate The Clash.....
Freaky - its a good job the snowballs have melted now! -
Message 24
Posted by Ddik Trebor (U202315) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Haven't you got some housework to be getting on with...
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Message 25
Posted by purrmeister (U11445326) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Haven't you got some housework to be getting on with...
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What - something like this? -
Message 26
Posted by Ddik Trebor (U202315) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Well, now you're just teasing me...
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Message 27
Posted by U6679583 (U6679583) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Another one - Television. Everyone talks about this group as if they were part of the pantheon of the gods. Well, I reckon they are pants, especially "Marquee Moon"
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Message 28
Posted by ceeceelmt (U13673358) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Smiths - perhaps due to the fact that I wasn't exposed to them first time round (like a virus) and the only person I knew who liked them was very keen on that Meat is Murder cover. Sometimes, some record sleeves just do not attract one
The whole of the Manchester thing passed me by (I was a long way away) but I can sort of get the Stone Roses and the Happy Mondays (in small doses).
I like the Clash - but again, only as a a grown-up did I even realise who/what they were.
I must agree with the Television thing - tried and failed to see the revolution there. -
Message 29
Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
I hate to bring up 90's memories...but I love Blur, and never got Oasis...
Blur -- original sound...not stuck up...
Oasis -- we think we're the bloody Beatles of the bloody 90's...very stuck up...
Let slip the ole dogs o' war on me, if ye wish... -
Message 30
Posted by LoudGeoffW (U11943874) on Tuesday, 27th January 2009
Not a problem for me Windy, Blur were infinitely more inventive than Oasis. I like early Oasis but you only need Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory and The Masterplan (the B-sides compilation) and that's it. Nothing worth going back to since 1996.
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Message 31
Posted by Dr_Gonzo (U11268011) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
As I've been outed about my dislike of the Butthole Surfers, I thought I may as well make use of Father Fist's Confessional and say that I've never liked The Wedding Present either.
There. I'm off to do half a dozen hail marys now and a how's your father. -
Message 32
Posted by Lee1975 (U4412355) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
I could probably provide a list as long as an orangutan's arm of the bands I've never "got" but the one that I probably appreciate less than most is the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
They leave me colder than cold and when they decide to try and cover Stevie Wonder songs very poorly indeed, it makes me ask what the world's coming to.
Add to that they are all much older than I am yet still act like pubescent little boys, (socks on your "what's-its"? Grow up for God's sake), and I start to get increasingly bemused. -
Message 33
Posted by U6679583 (U6679583) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
I second the Peppers confusion.
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Message 34
Posted by purrmeister (U11445326) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
OK - so if we're into 'confessional mode' now - I have to admit I hate Nico's voice, I mean really hate it (but its still better than Ladyhawke, which isn't saying much)........
.....there, I've said it
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Message 35
Posted by PeteIsLegend (U10945656) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
I agree with the Chilli's, although I can understand the appeal.
I'd like to add U2. Whilst their early stuff was ok, they've progressively submarined (boom boom).
Kings of Leon - I try to like them, but I just keep hitting skip when they come on my mp3 player. It's like they just don't fit my musical mood.
Back to the tax return. -
Message 36
Posted by CardiffGentleman (U13471703) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
Oh dear , I may be on here all day !
But first up I agree with Television ( one of the many bands I felt I should like and tried and tried but no.) - How the hell are they supposed to be forerunners of Punk ? Pah ! there are M.O.R. twidlly fiddlers of the highest order and very very boring. -
Message 37
Posted by the_roofdog (U9532299) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
Maybe a subject for a future related thread: "Bands that inexplicably get an easy ride from music critics even though they've been pushing their luck for some time"
Hello RHCPs & Primal Scream...
(Primal Scream would be another one of my "really don't gets": a handful of 'Screamadelica' tracks and 'Kill All Hippies' does not a satisfying back catalogue make...) -
Message 38
Posted by CardiffGentleman (U13471703) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
Or How come Morrisey gets a hard time for supposed racism whereas Primal Scream can have a confederate flag on their album cover and the Birthday Party swastikas on 2 of their 12 " and are never even questioned about it
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Message 39
Posted by the_roofdog (U9532299) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
The mighty Kula Shaker didn't get away with it neither.
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Message 40
Posted by adthedoor (U6790770) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
Hmmm ... could be a long list, but I have to agree with Mr Fist about Paul Weller and The Jam. Can't abide them. Never could. Never will. In fact it upsets me just thinking about them.
Never got Elvis Costello either .... -
Message 41
Posted by CordyRoy (U13774871) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
COUGH!pinkfloydCOUGH! Syd Barrett = lively & interesting. No Syd = bloated dullardry. Is it just me??
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Message 42
Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Wednesday, 28th January 2009
That's a very good argument, actually...
Two different Pink Floyds (conceivably, you could say that the band should have changed its name after 'The Crazy Diamond' left) altogether...
In many ways, I like the Syd Pink Floyd better than after he left...challenging and kind of chaotic, but very sweet as well...
Pink Floyd post-Syd saw all the fruits of commercial success, and that was to their detriment...
But I have to say as much as Piper was brilliant, so was Dark Side of the Moon...but again, two different bands...
I like it, Cordy!! Another sacred cow sacrificed...who has the steak sauce?? -
Message 43
Posted by CardiffGentleman (U13471703) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
The Beatles - but John Lennon in particular.
Having read bands I likes musical references I've tried ;
A lot of Bowie ( Low !! - No!! )
Krautrock ???
And recently after reading 'Rip it up and start again' - got Captain Beefheart and again left me cold and confused about what the fuss was about. -
Message 44
Posted by MickShrimpton (U10147690) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Was it in a recent issue of Word Magazine that Red Hot Chilli Peppers were described as Magic FM with tattoos?
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Message 45
Posted by Mozo (U10059077) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Oh well
I've been working up to this and I’ve had to make a list. This is deeply tragic
Most of the aforementioned go for me as well
Namely :
The Cure – You don’t look good in make up mate!
The Clash after the first album (apart from London’s Burning)
The Smiths apart from ‘How soon is now’
ANYTHING by Morrisey – with that irritating droney voice
Most of the Beatles, although I’m warming to Sgt Pepper and the White Album
Happy Mondays. What was that all about?
Oasis – ditto
Primal Scream
Elvis Costello – apart from ‘Accidents will happen’
Adding to the list
New order – especially Blue blinkin’ Monday. Released about 27 times and worse each time. I actually thought the first version was a mickey take and they were being ironic – WRONG! I love Joy Division but New Order – pah!
Bob Dylan – some good songs but the man CAN’T SING! Has no one ever told him? I mean its been a while.
Pulp – or more to the point Jarvis Cocker – Never was a man more elevated to his position as frontman based on his attitude rather than his talent. He also can’t sing! Not a note. He is plain dreadful! Although I do Like ‘Running the World’ for obvious reasons.
Nick Cave – Well I’ve tried. He’s supposed to be seminal and all that, but I can’t see it. Just another guy who can’t sing but has a good rep. He’s enthusiastic though and has a lot of quite talented mates.
Any form of rap. Its just shouting in time to music isn’t it? A pretty good way to mess up an often perfectly good backing track. Especially when its sampled from something you previously enjoyed. Like someone who won’t shut up when your favourite TV programme is on. If you're being repressed or someone in your ‘hood' wants to shoot you, write a letter to your MP like everyone else. Don’t shout at me with a drum track.
Don't even talk to me about Slim Shady
Moby and Fatboy slim. Make your own music, don’t rip off other peoples and look all smug about it. It takes more than a three chords, a sampler and a pass to the folk music section of the Library of Congress to make a musician. Deal with it!
Oh and I’m still not quite there with The Butthole Surfers yet. Sorry but I have to be honest, Jesus might be watching.
Ooops Forgot to breathe there for a minute. -
Message 46
Posted by Bargeman (U1017072) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Mozo, far be it from me to disagree with a large chunk of your list, but I've got to speak up for Robert Smith - despite what might seem a bad idea there is definitely something very sexy about him.
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Message 47
Posted by purrmeister (U11445326) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
I've got to speak up for Robert Smith - despite what might seem a bad idea there is definitely something very sexy about him.Ìý
Saw Bob Smith when I worked at Camden Lock - sooooo not sexy.......... -
Message 48
Posted by Mozo (U10059077) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
He was hard to miss. Especially when he would make at least three circuits of the place just in case there was someone who hadn't noticed him.
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Message 49
Posted by U6679583 (U6679583) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Bless him - every year Rob looks more and more like one of the old crones who drink port and lemon in the rovers return.
But not half as much as Mick'n'Keef. -
Message 50
Posted by Chicago Jeff (U13649238) on Thursday, 29th January 2009
Hey, Gid!!
A little before my time (I’m 35), but was wondering, did the late Jeff Buckley count the now late John Martyn among his influences??
There was a similar emotional affectation and sweetness in both musicians’ voices…
Just wondering…
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