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Prospects: Monday, 4 February, 2008

  • Newsnight
  • 4 Feb 08, 10:20 AM

Simon Enright is today's programme producer. Here's his early email to the production team.

Lots we could do today. If we are going to do it properly what should we choose?

barack203flag.jpgOf course we'll preview Super Tuesday - or Super Dooper Tuesday as they keep calling it. Gavin is in Washington and David Grossman is in Arizona. David's latest video blog will appear on the very shortly.

But that is not our lead story. Should that be:

Bugging - It appears that the so-called "Wilson Doctrine" has been broken. An MP bugged whilst visiting a constituent - admittedly a constituent being held in prison as he awaits extradition ruling on terrorist charges in the States. Is the Wilson Doctrine out of date or should we be outraged by this casual bugging of our MPs?

Northern Rock - We get final confirmation of bidders today. But is there something deeply unfair to the rest of the banking industry in all this?

GPs - What is the battle between the BMA and government all about and what do GPs and patients really want?

MPs Expenses - Now the Inland Revenue is going to get involved. Is there more that we should be doing?

There are other news stories around. Do let me know which ones you think could work as well.

Comments  Post your comment

  • 1.
  • At 11:56 AM on 04 Feb 2008,
  • Denzil wrote:

Please no, not more coverage of US elections that we're not allowed to vote in. Do something that's actually *relevant* to your viewers instead.

How about the government's plans to make local councils pay for info packs for migrants/immigrants/settlers/colonisers, giving them advice such as: "don't touch people without permission" and "don't break the law". How much is this going to cost?

Vote for Change!

xx
ed

  • 3.
  • At 01:34 PM on 04 Feb 2008,
  • Nick Thornsby wrote:

Surely the bugging story has to be the main one. It will be interesting to see what Jack Straw says- and this line from downing street that they didn't receive David Davis' letter is about as believable as Gordon Brown's diary clash which meant he had to turn up late to sign the lisbon treaty. I have sent letters to Downing street and have had responses on both occasions so surely such an important letter would make it to the PM.

I hope there isn't too much on America- I know it's interesting and relevant to us but too much can get a little tedious. In the end, we don't know what will happen tomorrow, and the only thing that does matter is the result. What is the point in using your valuable 40 minutes speculating, and having pollsters predict results that then turn out to be wrong!

I am not sure exactly what the government have done wrong over Northern Rock.

The real problem (for taxpayers picking up the bill) wasn't with the government or with Northern Rock, as i see things anyway in the big picture of things, but with the whole culture of easy money over the last decade or so (whose job it is to control this / is it possible to control: who knows - surely this is the real question?).

The government were faced with a situation that if they didn't intervene then the country could have collapsed more quickly and sharper into economic decline that would have cost billions more than Northern Rock has cost. This would have affected everyone: taxpayers and other banks alike.

There is a good chance the government may be able to recoup losses (even though it may eventually take decades). But at the end of the day the country as a whole (including other banks) benefitted, enormously (far more than what Northern Rock has cost tax payers so far) from the easy money of the last 10 days. It was a bit too easy - and re-adjusting is now taking place.

But in the big picture of things what else were the government meant to do over Northern Rock?

  • 5.
  • At 02:01 PM on 04 Feb 2008,
  • Dr S. Forster wrote:

As a GP I would like to say the current dispute between the government and our profession is a massive issue. They are intent on bullying us into an agreement that is bad for patients and is purely for political gain.
GPs are happy to work extended hours if there is a local need and it is fairly resourced but this was rejected by Gordon Brown (although agreed by the NHS Employers & BMA)
We have been informed that if the current offer is not agreed a worse offer will be imposed on us large amounts of money being taken away - likely to finance private providers.
The future of the NHS is at stake !

  • 6.
  • At 02:28 PM on 04 Feb 2008,
  • lenard henery wrote:

Perhaps we should be asking our MPs to at least keep Parliament open 52 weeks of the year, as we are now expecting all other people to work a little longer!

  • 7.
  • At 03:21 PM on 04 Feb 2008,
  • Bob Goodall wrote:

Dear Newsnight

say country y initiates an action,
then leaks it,
then there is uproar
and less scrutiny than before,

we surely need vetting and online checks for anyone in Government -including the PM,

this is not in anyway to infer that the current Politicians are not beyond reproach but just guard against the day that a country or organisations manages to apply pressure against a politician to influence policy or decisions,

this is not about excluding anyone from being in Government, but about protecting them and us,

surely this would be sensible?

senior civil servants are vetted and checked in this way, what is the logical argument to suggest that if someone is elected to office they are beyond the sort of subtle pressures that we recognise can be applied against others?

I don’t understand the reasoning here and the logic behind the so called Wilson doctrine or his refusal to vet Ministers as directly asked for by Richard Crossman and another Minister George Wigg.

In 1972 Sir Martin Furnival Jones, a former Director General of Mi5 told the Franks committee that;

β€œ if the Russian Intelligence Service can recruit a back-bench MP and he climbs to a ministerial position, the spy if home and dry.’

This might apply to any organisation or country even one perceived to be friendly who might wish to influence the policy of this country, for example the use of our armed forces in conflicts around the world.

I’m not sure that anything has really changed since Sir Martin Furnival Jones made these comments.

The checks that may be carried out under current guidelines might not be sufficient to fully guarantee our security. And one problem would be of course would be if the problem lay at the top of Government or for example
someone had risen to that position without having being formerly a Cabinet minister.

The Independent on 17.11.06 reports that Denis Donaldson was recruited (by Mi5) "in the 1980s after compromising myself during a vulnerable time in my life"

what our side has done, we can be sure is carried out by the security services of most countries against the leaders of other countries. To pretend otherwise and on that basis not take measures to protect our country is beyond foolhardy it is irresponsible or worse.

β€’ Could you consider looking at the case for vetting and checks on all members of the Cabinet including the PM?

β€’ You will not find out who passed this story to the Conservatives, they may not even really know where it came from but it is worth asking,

β€’ if you contact me I can suggest a question you could ask the Leader of the American Senate but will not put it in this blog.

There is also a letter about this on our website written on behalf of the Cabinet Secretary at the time, Sir Andrew Turnbull

best wishes
Bob Goodall
co-ordinator
www.vetmps.org.uk

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Salaam/Shalom/Shanthi/Dorood/Peace
Namaste -ed

  • 9.
  • At 04:21 PM on 04 Feb 2008,
  • shueb wrote:

GPs

  • 10.
  • At 06:26 PM on 04 Feb 2008,
  • alex anson wrote:

I'd like to know what's going on with GPs now. They've recently had an extremely generous payrise, making them on average the very best paid public sector workers in the land. And we're also told that we have an over supply of able medical students and foreign-trained immigrants looking for jobs. So why is the BMA so reluctant to change working hours? Right now people like me, who work all week to pay taxes that fund these generous GP salaries, are forced to take time off work to see a doctor, while the only people who've got the leisure to see their GPs are those who don't work. This doesn't add up.

  • 11.
  • At 07:09 PM on 04 Feb 2008,
  • wrote:

Bugging
This case could also be seen as a scenario where the security services were eavesdropping, NOT on the MP, but on anything the prisoner might reveal about further plans (or persons) intent on commiting acts of terrorism against the innocent British people.
Only the usual extreme liberals would argue that a potential terrorist prisoner's rights exceed those of the innocent citizens of this country.
Despite the press wanting answers to everything 'in the public interest' the enquiry must not bow to the constant cry for 'transparency and openness' if that would further weaken our security efforts. The clamour to preserve the status of our 'honourable' servants may already have further handicapped our security services, closing another potential source of intelligence.

  • 12.
  • At 08:31 PM on 04 Feb 2008,
  • John wrote:

I think we've heard enough guff about the US elections. They're many months away from happening anyway, so please get a grip of yourselves.

Nuon Chea appeared in a court for the first time today in relation to his part in the Democratic Kampuchea regime. The story of how he and his cadre managed to avoid justice for 30 years is a fascinating tale of Cold War intrigue which deserves to have media time. You can leave the US elections to snews 24 and Matt Frei: Newsnight surely exists in order to be distinctive.

  • 13.
  • At 11:18 PM on 04 Feb 2008,
  • Stan Evans wrote:

I have little sympathy with MPs who are upset at being bugged. New Labour MPs (and others) have readily followed Blair and Brown like sheep to impose more and more police state measures onto the rest of us, especially the impending ID Cards and National Identity Register.

Now they are suffering the consequences of not having the courage nor the selflessness to oppose government attacks on democracy. By sanctioning the erosion of our civil liberties and human rights, they are creating a society where everyone is a potential victim of unaccountable security actions. Why should they be immune from the effects of their failure to protect their constituents?

  • 14.
  • At 12:17 AM on 05 Feb 2008,
  • wrote:

TRIPS TO AUSCHWITZ

What puzzles me is why we don't teach our young about OUR OWN application of concentration camps and extermination? Trips to South Africa and Tasmania for a start. Further, would it not be a more POSITIVE act to visit Israel and see their triumph in returning to the Holy Land?

  • 15.
  • At 03:29 PM on 05 Feb 2008,
  • wrote:

Barrie (14),

Surely, you're being ironic?

"I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do Evil in return...."

W.H. AUDEN, "September 1, 1939"

Salaam/Shalom/Shanthi/Dorood/Peace
Namaste -ed

  • 16.
  • At 06:04 PM on 05 Feb 2008,
  • wrote:

ED INGLEHART

Mr Auden might say that - I couldn't possibly comment. Further, I am sorry to find Mr Auden "bunging in" a line (line 2) just to facilitate rhyme.

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