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Thursday, 19th April, 2007

  • Newsnight
  • 19 Apr 07, 06:23 PM

virginia203.jpgThe Virginia Tech gunman's chilling video - should it have been broadcast? US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; Should Tony Blair be called to account over the war in Iraq? And road safety in India.

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  • 1.
  • At 07:41 PM on 19 Apr 2007,
  • csharp wrote:

>should it have been broadcast?<

No. I listened to the debate on 5live Drive and the lady media teacher kept saying 'as a journalist' its news and so should be shown. 'A journalist might think that but a human being?

There are families of 30 people being taunted right now by a madman on every tv screen and website.

Now every would be killer can make a horror porn video send it to a news agency and be sure to be glamourised while people call it news.

Suppose instead of killing 30 people he had raped thirty children? Or beheaded 30 people? Would that still be shown as news?

A journalist might show them if they had the scoop but a human being wouldn't.

  • 2.
  • At 10:31 PM on 19 Apr 2007,
  • Gunman Korean sympathiser wrote:


Most of us are not gunmen or Korean... however we have all had days when you lot don't appreciate what we are worth and survival instincts and destructive annoyance get exercised...

This often happens in a education system that is not understood that does not support working class characters practical mastery and contributions of creative power and views of world opportunity...that does not respond to dissatisfactions characters lusts passions characters opportunities ardours and traditional duties of care emancipated by the enjoyments of togetherness...

Fighting cultures reject world visions and do not understand what has been communicated...on the other hand they do not know when they aren't like not needed not wanted...

People are left untutored and supported ...

...whilst people pleased to believe in themselves becoming better with educational agreeability become the winners undeservedly ...

...they do not have the originality dissatisfaction and desire motives or creative inspiration sense of opportunist goals of the mon-goalian world conqueror middle classes....like we are....

...and they have economic deservence idealisms rather than courtly companionabilities....

...many opportunists are called bullies by gay teaching staff and surreptitiously put on drugs like dopamine to take out paternal gang abilities ..the brain becomes impaired and another example is made because the higher level brain is not activated to deal with the situation...obedience drugs make people dim and facially underperform and the obedience of women can take over someone under those influences to make them mad...

The chap was drugged, at the wrong university, with the wrong breed of tutor, the wrong course... so was i...so are many... what are the alternatives???

They are killing off the naturally passionate opportunist greats all over the world in an ethnic vendetta of criminal subservients...

We are motivated to serve others... you classes... motivated by dissatisfaction wants and desires and concern and care and duties... motivated to get to know the world in a courtly way and love all those in it with loyalty and faithfulness....

..their kind are economically motivated to self serve..me kinds...they hate everyone and fight to be better by believing in the privileged... and their winnings of their futures agreeing with the winners of fights...

Such basic understanding should be in every university...but instead they make examples of us...

The Gunman Korean was infatuated with himself....

The killing motive? People did not appreciate what he was worth and would not allow him to join in?

He was psychologically forced into game theory proofs...

and had been put on dopamine to stop paternal gang-ability...

and obedience drugs when he was a kid that made him bizarrely influenced when idle by other characters especially women and movies

By reporting the incident the way they have it seems they can play the following games:

1) Repositioning on North Korea v South Korea debate...discussion and support for invasion of Korea
2) Security money for Bush's men..the more distress and trouble there is the more they are needed
3) Virginia for Bush's men...fewer anti voters and more pro Bush populace
4) Movement for and against military studies in Virginia tech engineering campus...
5) Student politics swings

We are all speculating about scenarios of who would set who up where when how and why...and the pros and cons and political positions that the examples created for publication in the media could be used for..

They deliberately stitch people up for game playing and economic reasons...we have seen this time and again... the image and politics must look right....to sacrifice a nobody to save the face of a nation and establish an ethic is worthy ...if by saving you mean lying and colluding rather than exposing and improving....there is simply more money in sci fi in security ...than in the very under invested understandings of humanity and cultured contributors....

The psychologically and militarily assisted "rip you off and force you to do it" punishment thinkers... think people don't deserve their own lives..they should do what they like... they are criminals...insecure and in fear ...who desperately need their mates to keep them safe...

Psythesitics set up fictitious loners....everywhere... because all of us on our own are doing what it takes to get what we want confidently and purposefully to show ourselves off more to those we want to get to know...our own ways... we are all alone and together....


  • 3.
  • At 11:21 PM on 19 Apr 2007,
  • Alienated American with a gun wrote:

At least with our laws crimes of passion have less lethal consequences.

This is the most real of the videos I've seen so far and not a gun in sight.

Superb Jeremy tonight (17/10) especially the Tom Brokow interview and with Phillipe Sands & Julian Knowles. Also loved the β€œDallas” style graphics to Lauren’s report! Ha ha ha@ The journalism's answer to the β€œCheeky Girls” doing Newsnight on Friday. Oh and some fabulous full length shots too!

  • 5.
  • At 08:45 AM on 20 Apr 2007,
  • Adrienne wrote:

Since 9/11 (and subsequent bombings in Europe and elsewhere) we've had a media blizzard about "the war on terror" and "clash of civilisations".

No educated person can be unaware of how the USA and Israel has been described by Islamic states as the great and little satan, or of how in the 1990s, Russia was brought to its knees by the Oligarchs. For those unfamiliar with the concept of 'jahilyya' it basically means false consciousness or alienation (old Marxist concept much developed by Sartre).

Cho Seung-Hui's video:

has been described by the media as a rambling, ranting diatribe from a self-pitying madman. But watch it along with Mohammad Sidique Khan's video made before 7/11:

and consider the fact that these acts were homegrown.

Are these disaffected and angry males in our culture not like the almost daily suicide bombers in Bagdhad, the actions taken by Hamas and Hezbollah against Israel, and are they not explainable in terms of the political philosophies of the likes of Sayyid Qutb and Ali Shari'ati?

Almost daily, we see Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong-il vilified whilst our openly predatory Apprentice culture' is glorified. Sadly we are not all equal, so caveat emptor is no answer. In fact, the promotion of concepts of equalitarianism, equal opportunity and meritocracy is really quite sinister and cynical if one accepts that thesis.

If we're at all interested in reducing the frequency of events such as the above, and the bleak prognosis is that the divide between the elite and underclass will make this get worse with time, I suggest we're going to have to take a far more self-critical look at the economic and political forces which are driving this.

Name calling and vilification is not the answer, it's part of the problem.

  • 6.
  • At 09:52 AM on 20 Apr 2007,
  • Colin Tucker wrote:

I watched with some astonishment
- Newsnight 19 April - as Jeremy Paxman castigated the NBC executive for showing the Virginia murderer's video .

At that time of the evening the ΒιΆΉΤΌΕΔ had repeatedly shown that video on News 24 and other channels .

Would not Paxman have been better employed questioning a senior manager of the ΒιΆΉΤΌΕΔ ?

  • 7.
  • At 12:13 PM on 20 Apr 2007,
  • csharp wrote:

'Indians are not bad drivers', said the indian doctor campaigning for road safety, 'In fact they are the best drivers. Look at the conditions they have to drive under. A non indian would be too afraid to drive on these roads'.

That line, that could have been lifted from an episode of the Goons, has got to win laugh of the week. Excellent.

  • 8.
  • At 06:26 PM on 20 Apr 2007,
  • Geirmund Knutsen wrote:

The direction of debate in the aftermath of the Virginia shooting seems to be very far from core of the event itself. Within hours of the killing, a press conference concludes that email cannot stop murder; within 24 hours media has upstaged the event itself by quarreling over the ethics behind broadcasting the footage; and by this morning a 'new' and dangerous individual has been defined through psychological profiles allowing us all to identify such deviants. What of the pragmatic measures that educational institutions should/do take to avoid such a tragedy in the UK?

  • 9.
  • At 02:42 PM on 22 Apr 2007,
  • Adrienne wrote:

Over the past few weeks, I've posted an Ariadne Thread to these blogs which tacitly addresses the very question raised in #8 above (and it's not just our schools). It's not something which can be said in a few words, but perhaps those interested will have followed the links I've provided.

In a nutshell, I reckon the key is to look at TFRs, diversity, and the h2 for sex-linked cognitive abilities. The answer is more enlightened behaviour management. Whether recent dysgenic trends are natural or not (and if not, who they've been engineered by, and to what ends), I leave others to ponder for now.

In the meantime, here's another contribution from an outsider which is worth a thought or two.


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